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My review on "tramlining":
My GT350 never tramlined once until I put lighter wheels and cup 2's on it. Maybe he should have been honest and gave his review with the stock wheels, which are so heavy... tramlining is hardly noticeable.
Fast forward...
Upgraded to an R, which I suppose handles better than an M5??? :shrug:, and the tramlining is minimal compared to the standard GT350 with the same cup 2's (and lighter wheels).
My GT350 never tramlined once until I put lighter wheels and cup 2's on it. Maybe he should have been honest and gave his review with the stock wheels, which are so heavy... tramlining is hardly noticeable.
Fast forward...
Upgraded to an R, which I suppose handles better than an M5??? :shrug:, and the tramlining is minimal compared to the standard GT350 with the same cup 2's (and lighter wheels).
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Granted, the GT350 does tramline quite a bit, but such is the price you pay for wide wheels/tires, i.e. if the M4 could fit the same wheels/tires, it would run into the same issue. The spectrum of the race vs street car is about compromises and sounds like this guy pretty much desires a softer, less ragged-edged street car experience, so he will be happy with an M4 or M5 (especially the latter). Comparing the suspensions of BMWs and the GT350 is like comparing dinosaurs to mammals, the GT350/mageride suspension is really so far more advanced than anything BMW currently produces (currently on 15 year technology) and really takes track time to appreciate how much of a leap the magneride is in comparison to traditional suspension designs.
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guys its just click bait...
you're all falling for it ... don't bother wasting your bandwidth pulling down that video
you're all falling for it ... don't bother wasting your bandwidth pulling down that video
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OK, this guy is an idiot. The car looks stupid (IMnot-soHO). R strips on a Base and what's up with the flashing lights on the grill?!!? The wheels are ridiculous. Regarding the video example of the Mustang spinning into the curb as evidence of poor handling. I knew a guy that torque rolled a P-51 into the ground on takeoff. No one said P-51's don't handle well, that guy just screwed up and didn't respect the power.
Tramlining - I have to laugh at myself because when I first drove mine I got out to check the front tires 'cause I thought they were flat. Drive it in Sport if you don't like it. It's not a freaking Camry!
I stopped at 4:13. Ugh!
Tramlining - I have to laugh at myself because when I first drove mine I got out to check the front tires 'cause I thought they were flat. Drive it in Sport if you don't like it. It's not a freaking Camry!
I stopped at 4:13. Ugh!
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ecoce1
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Sorry if my video offended people. I believe the issue is that I might have worded it incorrectly and this is why people are giving a lot of negative feedback and not adding much to the reason the car actually tramlines. I do agree the car handles well (as I actually mentioned in the video). I did say that this is a great car for track purpose and where the roads are straight. I have no argument there, the car turns very well.
My only issue is the tramline on the car. I was not aware of this at all, before getting the car. To be honest I would not have been aware of this, even if I test drove the car on some good roads either. This is just really apparent on the New York roads (which sucks because of the roads mostly and not the car). That being said, my comparison goes against all other cars I have owned. The last few were e46 M3, F82 m4 and f10 M5. I drove these cars on the same roads as the Shelby, so that is why the tramline is so much more apparent to me. I am sure that if I purchased the Shelby GT350 and at the same time moved away from New York, I probably would not notice the tramline at all.
The thing is that I am just not really understanding why all other sports cars I drove, do not tramline. Granted that maybe I am only comparing BMW to Ford, which might be an issue also, but I did recently test drive a Z06 and an Aston Martrin DBS. Both were driven in New York and I felt no tramline on the cars at all. I am getting a lot of comments about me not knowing anything, but I would really appreciate if someone can give me a reason the car tramlines. I do understand that the wider 295 tires add in the tramline issue, but Im also sure that there was a reason behind making the tires so wide. What I am just not sure is to why all other sports cars I drove, do not tramline. Also I recently changed the wheels from stock wheels. Most of my driving has been done on OEM wheels.
I did also check the wheel alignment. Surprisingly it was way off, but I had the issue resolved in the first week I had the car. It definitely helped to minimize the tramline as well.
Again, I did not mean to make the video to offend anyone and I apologize for talking bad about the Shelby. I know that everyone loves the car, but I just wanted to share what I felt was a bit of a negative on New York roads. Also I think I should have made it a bit more clear that the car takes turns like a beast, but the tramline is something I just do not understand. Having to fight to keep the car going straight is a bit of an odd thing, especially when all other sports cars I drove, do not do that.
My only issue is the tramline on the car. I was not aware of this at all, before getting the car. To be honest I would not have been aware of this, even if I test drove the car on some good roads either. This is just really apparent on the New York roads (which sucks because of the roads mostly and not the car). That being said, my comparison goes against all other cars I have owned. The last few were e46 M3, F82 m4 and f10 M5. I drove these cars on the same roads as the Shelby, so that is why the tramline is so much more apparent to me. I am sure that if I purchased the Shelby GT350 and at the same time moved away from New York, I probably would not notice the tramline at all.
The thing is that I am just not really understanding why all other sports cars I drove, do not tramline. Granted that maybe I am only comparing BMW to Ford, which might be an issue also, but I did recently test drive a Z06 and an Aston Martrin DBS. Both were driven in New York and I felt no tramline on the cars at all. I am getting a lot of comments about me not knowing anything, but I would really appreciate if someone can give me a reason the car tramlines. I do understand that the wider 295 tires add in the tramline issue, but Im also sure that there was a reason behind making the tires so wide. What I am just not sure is to why all other sports cars I drove, do not tramline. Also I recently changed the wheels from stock wheels. Most of my driving has been done on OEM wheels.
I did also check the wheel alignment. Surprisingly it was way off, but I had the issue resolved in the first week I had the car. It definitely helped to minimize the tramline as well.
Again, I did not mean to make the video to offend anyone and I apologize for talking bad about the Shelby. I know that everyone loves the car, but I just wanted to share what I felt was a bit of a negative on New York roads. Also I think I should have made it a bit more clear that the car takes turns like a beast, but the tramline is something I just do not understand. Having to fight to keep the car going straight is a bit of an odd thing, especially when all other sports cars I drove, do not do that.
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At 1:01 in the clip you say that the problem is that it doesn't really handle. You finish the clip by saying handling is your only concern. I think this is the problem we have with your review. An honest review is great...it's your opinion that it doesn't handle New York streets as well as a BMW. I have no experience with either, therefore I can't argue. But when you make blanket statements that "the car can't handle" - especially on a GT350 forum - you can expect to receive a LOT of flak. There's several hundred folks here that have real-world experience with the GT350 that know that's not a true statement.
And every one of us would agree with you that the car tramlines. Those of us that have BMW experience might actually agree with you that the car tramlines more than a BMW, although it's already been stated in this thread that's probably a function of the wider tires on the 350. But again, when you state the car can't handle and that you're confused why none of the reviews state that...expect the worst.
Sorry you are not happy with the car. I would say you're in the minority of GT350 owners, myself included. But I've never owned a BMW, so...
And every one of us would agree with you that the car tramlines. Those of us that have BMW experience might actually agree with you that the car tramlines more than a BMW, although it's already been stated in this thread that's probably a function of the wider tires on the 350. But again, when you state the car can't handle and that you're confused why none of the reviews state that...expect the worst.
Sorry you are not happy with the car. I would say you're in the minority of GT350 owners, myself included. But I've never owned a BMW, so...
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Yea, I do agree that my wording might have sent people on the wrong path. I just equated it to handling, because of the multiple occasions the car almost went into a divider (again, only because of how messed up the roads are). While driving all other cars, I never experienced this. I think my lack of knowledge of tramline, has me equating it to handling. While I do understand that the word handling should be more to do of how well the car can take turns and how good it holds the road while turning (and that it does very well).
I was just very surprised by this concept and knowing that all other cars I drove, did not do this, is what had me equating it to the car not handling well. Do people with regular GT experience tramline? I believe the tires on those are 255 up front. I heard from two GT drivers that it also tramlines, but haven't experienced it myself, so not sure how accurate that information is.
I wonder why Ford decided to go with 295 tires up front, versus like 275 (if that is the main cause of the tramline). I am sure there was a reason behind this, but that is something I would really like to learn.
Besides the tramline, I really do like the car and made a second video to go over the things I like. Hopefully someone can chime in on the reason why Ford decided to use bigger tires and why tramline is really not a negative thing. Again, my opinion about the car is really based on where I drive it. I haven't seen anyone online mention the tramline issue prior to me getting the car, so I wanted to share my person opinion about it. I did try to make it clear in the video that it is my personal opinion and that it mostly just has to do with where I drive the car, but I think me saying that car does not handle, is what has everyone thinking that I do not know anything in life (which is mostly true).
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What about the M2? The newest M3/4 is just a joke. It's fast, yes. But M stands for "Marketing" in that car for SURE.
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Extending the tire track out nearly a full inch on a compound such as Pilot SS's or 4S or Cup 2's is a big deal for grip. The geometry is such that the 350 can actually take advantage of a wider tire CORRECTLY. Consequently there will be a usability trade off and tramlining is a real thing with not just the 350 but any car that is running a big tire up front especially one that it wasn't made for and even more, if you're punching the tire size out SO far like on an S2000 where some guys run 265 square, that the car wasn't made for that kind of geometry. I have a friend who runs 265 square on his S2000 for autocross and it tramlines like a PIG (RE71R's, 9" wheels). Compound has something to do with it and so does tire size.
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