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I'm waiting atleast 5 more years before I consider Electric, Batteries and charging time should be down to the time of filling your tank with gas. gas stations will start installing electric hookups too, if it doesn't block space for more than a few minutes to use!
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Check the utube. Plenty of videos from those who have driven cross country with EV’s. Not for the impatient folk.
Can you imagine 100k cars all stopped on an off freeway location charging their cars? I can’t.
agreed...and therein lies the conundrum. There was mass outrage on the I-5 this last holiday season, when all the EVs went from the Bay Area down to SoCal (or vice versa) and the charging lines were HOURS long.
 

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How about designing a space laser to charge up EV’s?
 

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Can said laser also be used to clear slow cars from the left lane?
I would personally subsidize such a project, with glee and vigor.
 

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Explaine to me how my mother would charge her car. She lives in a house with no driveway or garage. She has to park on a public street. Sometimes several houses away from her own, due to other people parking in front of her house.
Your mother should not get an EV.
 

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There was mass outrage on the I-5 this last holiday season, when all the EVs went from the Bay Area down to SoCal (or vice versa) and the charging lines were HOURS long.
This. I don't see an answer for this. I mean on holiday weekends it sometimes has 3 or 4 in line at each gas pump, imagine if even if there were as many charging stations as gas pumps how many would like the 3 hour wait for their turn?

If each charging station pulls 50kwh's..........

Again 100% plug in EV's are nothing more than a pipe dream for lunatics.

Some say that solid state batteries will charge faster, maybe even as fast as filling up with gas.

Lets say the car battery holds 50 kwh's of energy. How big of a charger would that take? At 480 volts that is 76 amps. At 220 volts it is 165 amps.

Most gas stations do not have 3 phase service available so will be stuck with 220 volts.

I'm a bit out on my electrical primer but I wonder how long the charger would have to supply the 76 or 165 amps to fully charge any battery.

Might get 50kw into a battery pack in 3 minuets if you supply with 12,000 amps.....
 

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Which state is this? Sounds like maybe the State of Confusion ...
Is it Oregon? or Washington State? or California? I forget, how about the UK?
 

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Here's a headline I just read that doesn't surprise me in the least.

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This. I don't see an answer for this. I mean on holiday weekends it sometimes has 3 or 4 in line at each gas pump, imagine if even if there were as many charging stations as gas pumps how many would like the 3 hour wait for their turn?

If each charging station pulls 50kwh's..........

Again 100% plug in EV's are nothing more than a pipe dream for lunatics.

Some say that solid state batteries will charge faster, maybe even as fast as filling up with gas.

Lets say the car battery holds 50 kwh's of energy. How big of a charger would that take? At 480 volts that is 76 amps. At 220 volts it is 165 amps.

Most gas stations do not have 3 phase service available so will be stuck with 220 volts.

I'm a bit out on my electrical primer but I wonder how long the charger would have to supply the 76 or 165 amps to fully charge any battery.

Might get 50kw into a battery pack in 3 minuets if you supply with 12,000 amps.....
Not that it help the figures much but my understanding is at least Tesla works off the 20-80% thing. So you charge before you hit 20% and it takes like 15-20 minutes (at a supercharge station) to get to 80% and then you push on. But then, in my mind you're then at best using 60% of your actual range? At this point a solar roof and any power regen from brake usage would help but I don't think it's there yet. I hope I have a long time before I would have to worry about it.
 

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Not that it help the figures much but my understanding is at least Tesla works off the 20-80% thing. So you charge before you hit 20% and it takes like 15-20 minutes (at a supercharge station) to get to 80% and then you push on.
This^

I know its hard not to get hung up on the charging thing but it is such a non-issue for most people. Live in a big metro or apartment? Then maybe, but if you control where you park its like leaving the car at a "gas station" every night.

Road trips are easy too. A model S gets 200 miles charged back in 15 mins now. We're not talking 50kw and 200amps, its above 250+kw and thousands of amps. The Tesla superchargers are 3 phase and DC. And the offerings from other providers are getting just as quick.
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