Edelbrock E-Force Update

[gsxr1300]

Just FYI IHI Turbo America makes the supercharger for the Hellcat, and the Edelbrock E-Force is an Eaton 2.3 TVS same as Roush and VMP in an upside down config.

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[Whipple SC]

1) Edelbrock has been around 75 years - they are not going away.

2) I live in Escondido, CA, just down the freeway from their offices in Torrance. If I have a problem, it's a short drive.

3) The unit itself has the least amount of installation modifications of any of the units out there (and I've looked at the installation instructions).

4) Edelbrock manufactures the OEM supercharger for the Dodge Hellcats.

5) The unit appears stock from the factory and is low profile. I may be able to have a custom-fabricated strut tower brace where that won't work with Whipple, Roush, VMR, Magnuson, or any of the other models.

6) I am not looking to drag race it - just spirited driving and an occasional road race track day.

7) I don't have to worry about a jackshaft breaking or binding up.

8) I don't have to upgrade the throttle body or exhaust if I don't want to.

9) Edelbrock is not nickel and diming me for endless extras that I don't want or need.

Different strokes for different folks. If you like Whipple, Roush or another unit, fine, go for it. Not my cup of tea, sorry.

I just don't know you keep mentioning the jackshaft binding. What in the world are you talking about? Again it's the same components as a drive snout which Edelbrock, Roush and VMP all use. The shafts are actually made of far better material then the snouts and have far more allowable torsional twist, allowing less shock being transferred to other components.

I would love to know what and who is nickel and diming you for extras you don't need? And other than a turbo system who is making you change the exhaust?

IHI mfg the Hellcat sc. It's widely known Edelbrock casting foundry had casted the Hellcat casting. Therefore they were a parts to supplier to the mfg. Edelbrocks casting foundry is state of the art, an impressive factory.

Every post you have made is about the Edelbrock kit, which is great, you love the kit and we agree it's a nice system, but you just constantly throw these little miss accurate things that need to be corrected. it doesn't help fellow members here look up info, make decisions, etc when the info is inaccurate or so biased.

 

[Rangerjames]

I just ordered the stage 1 edelbrock supercharger from LMR. I like the looks of it and got a great price ,plus the rebate. Got the tuner kit and having it dyno tuned by local shop by me. I'm not in a HP contest. I should be close to 600 rwhp which is 200 more than I have now I'll keep you posted on what kind of results I get.

Cheers:cheers:

 

[ShelbyGT350]

I just don't know you keep mentioning the jackshaft binding. What in the world are you talking about? Again it's the same components as a drive snout which Edelbrock, Roush and VMP all use. The shafts are actually made of far better material then the snouts and have far more allowable torsional twist, allowing less shock being transferred to other components.

I would love to know what and who is nickel and diming you for extras you don't need? And other than a turbo system who is making you change the exhaust?

IHI mfg the Hellcat sc. It's widely known Edelbrock casting foundry had casted the Hellcat casting. Therefore they were a parts to supplier to the mfg. Edelbrocks casting foundry is state of the art, an impressive factory.

Every post you have made is about the Edelbrock kit, which is great, you love the kit and we agree it's a nice system, but you just constantly throw these little miss accurate things that need to be corrected. it doesn't help fellow members here look up info, make decisions, etc when the info is inaccurate or so biased.

As far as the jackshafts are concerned, Google "supercharger jackshaft breakage" and there are several articles about these. Granted, there may not be any for Whipple, but it relies on the same concept.

As far as the extras, Whipple's Stage 1 supercharger is currently $400 more than an Edelbrock. The extras listed on Whipple's website are:

$600 for alternative finish
$600 for billet throttle body
$250 for high-flow injectors
$400 for a fan kit
$190-$460 for a carbon fiber inlet tubes/jackshaft covers
$1,500 for a belt upgrade

Personally, i don't need any of these. I'm not looking to drag race the car. I'm not looking for 800 or more HP, and I'm looking for a "stealth" rather than "in your face" appearance. I'm also likely to have my local custom shop fabricate a custom strut tower brace that I can use with the Edelbrock installation that will fit underneath the hood. I don't believe that's possible with other S/C's other than centrifugal ones.

Most other SC manufacturers recommend to upgrade the exhaust from 2.5" to 3". Edelbrock is OK with the stock exhaust. I'm not looking to make my car excessively loud (I have sensitive neighbors). Edelbrock's design is much quieter than others. Stock throttle body works fine.

As far as IHI goes, I misspoke slightly. IHI contracts the S/C boxes from Edelbrock and my guess is it buys the rotors from Eaton. If FCA didn't like Edelbrock making the boxes, would probably have told IHI to get another supplier.

Lastly, do Whipple's 2015-16 Mustang superchargers have a CARB E.O. number? I'm not looking to install a supercharger without that and it's why I'm waiting for Edelbrock to get it before I buy it. Can't get CARB approval for open air CAI elements (except OEM like on the GT350).

Again, different strokes for different folks. Not knocking Whipple, it's just not for me.

 

[gsxr1300]

You dont need any of those upgrades, and Whipple doesn't recommend an exhaust system.
Also Im pretty sure Whipple had CARB E.O before anyone else with a closed airbox.

 

[evo8904]

As far as the jackshafts are concerned, Google "supercharger jackshaft breakage" and there are several articles about these. Granted, there may not be any for Whipple, but it relies on the same concept.

As far as the extras, Whipple's Stage 1 supercharger is currently $400 more than an Edelbrock. The extras listed on Whipple's website are:

$600 for alternative finish
$600 for billet throttle body
$250 for high-flow injectors
$400 for a fan kit
$190-$460 for a carbon fiber inlet tubes/jackshaft covers
$1,500 for a belt upgrade

Personally, i don't need any of these. I'm not looking to drag race the car. I'm not looking for 800 or more HP, and I'm looking for a "stealth" rather than "in your face" appearance. I'm also likely to have my local custom shop fabricate a custom strut tower brace that I can use with the Edelbrock installation that will fit underneath the hood. I don't believe that's possible with other S/C's other than centrifugal ones.

Most other SC manufacturers recommend to upgrade the exhaust from 2.5" to 3". Edelbrock is OK with the stock exhaust. I'm not looking to make my car excessively loud (I have sensitive neighbors). Edelbrock's design is much quieter than others. Stock throttle body works fine.

As far as IHI goes, I misspoke slightly. IHI contracts the S/C boxes from Edelbrock and my guess is it buys the rotors from Eaton. If FCA didn't like Edelbrock making the boxes, would probably have told IHI to get another supplier.

Lastly, do Whipple's 2015-16 Mustang superchargers have a CARB E.O. number? I'm not looking to install a supercharger without that and it's why I'm waiting for Edelbrock to get it before I buy it. Can't get CARB approval for open air CAI elements (except OEM like on the GT350).

Again, different strokes for different folks. Not knocking Whipple, it's just not for me.

After reading your post, searching is not strong with you bro.

 

[ShelbyGT350]

You dont need any of those upgrades, and Whipple doesn't recommend an exhaust system.
Also Im pretty sure Whipple had CARB E.O before anyone else with a closed airbox.

There is nothing on Whipple's website that states they have a CARB E.O. number for that particular supercharger and I can't find any on CARB's website either.

 

[ShelbyGT350]

After reading your post, searching is not strong with you bro.

What's that supposed to mean? i can do Google searches just fine, thank you.

 

[Will@Whipple]

Please see the Link below for the CARB E.O. number for the Whipple SC Kits

CARB E.O. D-231-45

http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/eo/D-231-45.pdf

Thank you

 

[ShelbyGT350]

Please see the Link below for the CARB E.O. number for the Whipple SC Kits

CARB E.O. D-231-45

http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/eo/D-231-45.pdf

Thank you

Would be nice if you posted that on your website. Thanks.

 

[daltron]

Someone check and see if his IP is Edelbrock corporate lol.

You a company spokesman or a troll? You are spreading a lot of misinformation...

 

[ShelbyGT350]

Someone check and see if his IP is Edelbrock corporate lol.

You a company spokesman or a troll? You are spreading a lot of misinformation...

No I am not. I have no vested interest in Edelbrock. I am however a shareholder of Ford Motor Company. I do my best to do my due diligence, but I also don't appreciate the comment. I've also corrected myself if I have made an incorrect statement. I am very familiar with Edelbrock as I rebuilt engines back in the late 70's, including the 351C that's in my Mach 1.

 

[Whipple SC]

As far as the jackshafts are concerned, Google "supercharger jackshaft breakage" and there are several articles about these. Granted, there may not be any for Whipple, but it relies on the same concept.

As far as the extras, Whipple's Stage 1 supercharger is currently $400 more than an Edelbrock. The extras listed on Whipple's website are:

$600 for alternative finish
$600 for billet throttle body
$250 for high-flow injectors
$400 for a fan kit
$190-$460 for a carbon fiber inlet tubes/jackshaft covers
$1,500 for a belt upgrade

Personally, i don't need any of these. I'm not looking to drag race the car. I'm not looking for 800 or more HP, and I'm looking for a "stealth" rather than "in your face" appearance. I'm also likely to have my local custom shop fabricate a custom strut tower brace that I can use with the Edelbrock installation that will fit underneath the hood. I don't believe that's possible with other S/C's other than centrifugal ones.

Most other SC manufacturers recommend to upgrade the exhaust from 2.5" to 3". Edelbrock is OK with the stock exhaust. I'm not looking to make my car excessively loud (I have sensitive neighbors). Edelbrock's design is much quieter than others. Stock throttle body works fine.

As far as IHI goes, I misspoke slightly. IHI contracts the S/C boxes from Edelbrock and my guess is it buys the rotors from Eaton. If FCA didn't like Edelbrock making the boxes, would probably have told IHI to get another supplier.

Lastly, do Whipple's 2015-16 Mustang superchargers have a CARB E.O. number? I'm not looking to install a supercharger without that and it's why I'm waiting for Edelbrock to get it before I buy it. Can't get CARB approval for open air CAI elements (except OEM like on the GT350).

Again, different strokes for different folks. Not knocking Whipple, it's just not for me.

They are not ours. Magnusson was the first to do it at a decent privation level, but it used a belt and adjusting angle to remove belt slack. We use precision helical gears and tapered stainless steel which allows for torsional twist. The Cobra jet runs the same design, same parts and they spin consistently 21,000rpm, on 2-step rev limiters, max acceleration and deceleration which is a torture test. We've passed more durability testing than nearly anyone else.

As for extra's, hose are for customers to better enhance there system, not nickel and diming someone.
-Custom finish? Who else offers you the opportunity to truly personalize your engine compartment? This day and age, the preferred vehicle modifications bring engine combinations from the outside of the vehicle into the interior and engine compartment. The real question why don't others do this?
-bigger throttle body unleaded more power. Can't suck a watermelon through a garden hose... Positive displacement superchargers airflow and efficiency are a direct relation to available airflow in. Restricting the inlet (80mm restricts) not only leaves power on the table, it also increases power consumption and discharge temp. While our stage 1 is still the most powerful 50-state legal kit, the throttle body increases the power by over 50rwhp making our stage make to the Rw what others make to the crank.
-our standard 58's are the highest flowing of any emissions legal kit other than our 72's giving more power capacity and safer operation. You can't make power without fuel, that's simple. Then, factor in the capacity to target .68 lambda to save the cats when hey reach 1800deg in 10 seconds (yes they do). How can a 47lb injector, with 10psi of fuel psi loss and 10psi of pressure differential against the tip maintain such capacity? FYI, they don't.
-fan kit is optional to help maintain temps. It is designed without and passed all durability testing, but you increase power and have more consistent power with more consistent intercooler water temps. Just because someone doesn't offer it doesn't mean it's not an issue. The difference for once you don't have to "fix" mfg heat exchanger under sizing such as Roush system and nearly all mustang kits prior to ours. Fans help stabilize temps, especially in daily driving, no matter what sc so that's a nice option, not nickel and diming.
-carbon fiber is another unique option. Don't want the same as someone else? Maybe you've made carbon mods like hoods, wings, splitters, etc. again, personalization, why don't others do that??
-10-rib belt system, same as the cobra jet is a unique option if you are going for max power. Doesn't matter if you have an Eaton, PC, Paxton, all need 10-rib when you are making max power. Also, the 10-rib system features all billet and pocketed pulleys, a very nice aesthetic option to make your mustang different then others.

Are we recommending aftermarket exhaust? No, where did you read that? We never have, all testing is with stock exhaust. I would never recommend something that is not emissions legal on an emissions legal kit. Just because many do doesn't mean you have to. Has anyone else spent over 200 hours at wot with stock exhaust? Nope, just us.

Emissions legal? Yes, we were second to only Roush/Ford Performance to get our cert. So yes you can have the most powerful, most personalized supercharged mustang that is emissions legal from us.

FCA doesn't choose suppliers for suppliers. They purchase from tier 1 companies that have been approved to supply OEM. Edelbrocks foundry had casted (no longer) the Hellcat supercharger housing. Edelbrocks casting foundry is one of the most advanced and nicest I've seen so there is zero taken away from that, but they do not mfg the supercharger, nor design it.

As for quiet, how do you even know that? Did you perform an acoustic test? While I agree ours will be louder, the fact is many state they want far more noise!

As I've said many times, I like the Edelbrock system, the team did a great job and I see it as far better competition then the Roush. But you continue to post randomly inaccurate info about our product which I simply don't understand. No problem wanting something different, I can admire that as I'm one that always does the same thing. But I don't normally give false information to support my decision and mislead others to do so.

 

[Whipple SC]

There is nothing on Whipple's website that states they have a CARB E.O. number for that particular supercharger and I can't find any on CARB's website either.

It's been there since its been legal (over a year). Click on exclusive features, first line states "most powerful 50-state legal system available".

 

[daltron]

No I am not. I have no vested interest in Edelbrock. I am however a shareholder of Ford Motor Company. I do my best to do my due diligence, but I also don't appreciate the comment. I've also corrected myself if I have made an incorrect statement. I am very familiar with Edelbrock as I rebuilt engines back in the late 70's, including the 351C that's in my Mach 1.

You don't appreciate the comment? Welcome to the internet where people get called out for BS. I have no stake in Whipple, but how ridiculous is it for you to say they are nickel and diming people and then you list things like injector upgrades... WTF?

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