Edelbrock E-Force Supercharger...

[mikeyjobu]

Okay -- it's all too much -- let's just leave them all stock...:bolt:

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[Department Of Boost]

Ok DOB...we get it, you don't like the Edelbrock kit. And since you're new to this forum it's starting to look like your presence here is to push the products you like to get your foot in the door.

You're absolutely right. I don't like the Edlebrock kits. That is based on a ton of experience in the real world and a lot of design knowledge where intercooler systems are concerned. It has nothing to do with feelings or agenda. My opinion is based simply on performance.

What have I pushed?

I carry Whipple because I believe in Whipple products. I work with Eaton stuff because they offer a very good solution for a majority of people. I don't carry Procharger, Roush or Vortech. You won't see me slamming their stuff.

I deal in facts based on experience. If I don't have them you won't hear a peep out of me.

In fact you've made no attempt to introduce yourself to the community nor have you shown any credibility with your company other than "this is how it is because I say so".

What would you like to know?

Credibility? How does someone show credibility? What is that based on? I'm genuinely curious.

Of course I may be wrong...but you really haven't done anything in this thread but trash on the design of the Edelbrock system.

If you were about to get hit by a bus would you prefer I don't say anything?;) I'm taking the time to warn/fill in the community on a big issue in the FI would that is IAT's. I learned the hard way ($$$$$). I would like to keep the number of people that do down to a minimum.

You may have experience with their "past" systems however until we start seeing some data with the CURRENT system with comparisons to what's available now...how bout we focus this thread in that direction.

Advertising/marketing in the hot rod world is heavily controlled. There are no "tests" done anymore for the public. Where do you think this data will come from?:shrug:

 

[Reds197]

Edelbrock heat soaks. Its been a known issue on the Coyotes since 2012. Fact!

The problem with Meth on a PD blower is you spray before the blower compresses the air and forces it into the cylinders. Yes it does help but you are not getting the full benefit of cooling the hot air after it has been compressed. Going E85 is a better option in my opinion.

 

[evo8904]

Edelbrock heat soaks. Its been a known issue on the Coyotes since 2012. Fact!

The problem with Meth on a PD blower is you spray before the blower compresses the air and forces it into the cylinders. Yes it does help but you are not getting the full benefit of cooling the hot air after it has been compressed. Going E85 is a better option in my opinion.

E85 is a better option but it isn't in a lot of places. The closest one to me is 45 mins out of my way. Sucks!

 

[lurker]

Road course work is where you will see the worst IATs

You're right. The worst temps will be after an extended road course session. I should have clarified. Stop and go in triple digit heat, in my experience, can reach harmful IATs very quickly (more quickly than on a road course) if extra cooling isn't added with many f/i applications. Seems like most manufacturers have it under control as far as the S550 is concerned, but many of the kits for the S197 ran into temp issues, as You're probably aware.

Edit: I'm not at all a fan of the reverse mount design that EB uses. The path that air has to take through the (longer, but) jointed intake runners is just going to create gobs of heat once you get up in boost level.

 

[mustang_guy]

DOB is a credible source. They are on some other forums and are not new to coyote engines and 4.6 3 valves or other engines for that matter. They also have their own forum.http://www.departmentofboost.com/vbull/forum.php

Shame some of you haven't heard of these guys.

 

[Superman15]

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Unclear what the warranty options/cost are from Whipple, but need to find out.




The Whipple warranty is $450 if you buy it at the time you order the kit. If you purchase it after that, it is $499. It is 3yr/36,000 miles. This is an "engine" warranty. Not a "powertrain" warranty. I purchased this with my Whipple.

 

[Evolvd]

Credibility? How does someone show credibility? What is that based on? I'm genuinely curious.

The easiest way is by making an introduction thread covering who you are, how long you've been in the business, projects you've done, links to builds, word of mouth.....I can't believe I'm actually having to explain this, it's Business 101

If you were about to get hit by a bus would you prefer I don't say anything?;) I'm taking the time to warn/fill in the community on a big issue in the FI would that is IAT's. I learned the hard way ($$$$$). I would like to keep the number of people that do down to a minimum.

For someone who's never been hit by a bus or even knows what that could do to a person, then you explain how and why that's bad. (that's an analogy, I know I don't want to be hit by a bus) But, since Edelbrock is not a highly discussed tuner/builder on this board it does nothing to just jump in and say "Edelbrock sucks" without having to explain why and show reasoning backed up with some kind a data instead of assuming everyone should take your word. How do you show that it has heat soak issues? How do you show that it affects certain aspects of driving/racing? These are all issues that should be addressed if you're going to say "don't buy this part" instead of assuming we should automatically take your word for it. I've never used a supercharger before, but I'm also not some sheep that just follows the heard because someone said "x part sucks". I like to do good research and take the time to understand the differences. Maybe that's a lost art....

Advertising/marketing in the hot rod world is heavily controlled. There are no "tests" done anymore for the public. Where do you think this data will come from?:shrug:

And it's no different when a vendor comes in and says "brand X sucks and we don't carry it" without any shred of evidence to back up their standing.

I'm in no way disputing your knowledge or telling you your opinion is wrong. But if you want to reach people who are looking to buy a product that you endorse or turn people away from one you don't it helps when you actually understand that not everyone is at your level of knowledge. Simply saying "that part sucks" and expecting people to take your word for it (when you haven't shown any credibility in this forum) is just poor form.

If you have your own forum that would've been good information to pass along so people can research where you've been and what you've done.

 

[Superman15]

So much anger for Mr. Boost lol I have read many of his thread responses, and dude seems very knowledgeable. While I personally don't like to see vendors bashing products that they do not personally sell... it is not un-common on the forums. Most SC "debates" are just verbal pissing matches. But when you ween through the piss, you also find true information along the way. It is hard to come in the door with "credibility". My personal opinion is credibility is what you do AFTER the sale. How I am treated AFTER you get my $10k. Everyyyone is very nice and very responsive when the credit card is dangling.. but not everyone wants to talk to you after the purchase.

 

[Evolvd]

I'm not angry at all. I don't blindly accept people's word for anything...especially coming from people who sell something related to the discussion. I could talk intelligently about 4G63 motors all day long and give you the impression that I know a thing or two...but that doesn't automatically make me a credible source for people to go to. I've had my car for 4 months now and I'm still trying to decide which FI I want to go with. Could I buy a Whipple and be perfectly happy? I'm sure I could...but same could be said with a TVS or Procharger or any other manufacturer.

I'm a Type-A personality which means I like to know about things and gain knowledge on a subject before I make up my mind. I'm sure anyone can understand that.

 

[Superman15]

I'm not angry at all. I don't blindly accept people's word for anything...especially coming from people who sell something related to the discussion. I could talk intelligently about 4G63 motors all day long and give you the impression that I know a thing or two...but that doesn't automatically make me a credible source for people to go to. I've had my car for 4 months now and I'm still trying to decide which FI I want to go with. Could I buy a Whipple and be perfectly happy? I'm sure I could...but same could be said with a TVS or Procharger or any other manufacturer.

I'm a Type-A personality which means I like to know about things and gain knowledge on a subject before I make up my mind. I'm sure anyone can understand that.

I can certainly understand that. And I do not disagree with your mentality. I was just throwing my opinion in as well, when it comes to "credibility". The "anger" comment was really just a joke for the most part. However, it is a public forum. And everyone is entitled to their opinion, including DOB. But again.. I am not bashing your opinion or disagreeing with it.

 

[evo8904]

I'm not angry at all. I don't blindly accept people's word for anything...especially coming from people who sell something related to the discussion. I could talk intelligently about 4G63 motors all day long and give you the impression that I know a thing or two...but that doesn't automatically make me a credible source for people to go to. I've had my car for 4 months now and I'm still trying to decide which FI I want to go with. Could I buy a Whipple and be perfectly happy? I'm sure I could...but same could be said with a TVS or Procharger or any other manufacturer.

I'm a Type-A personality which means I like to know about things and gain knowledge on a subject before I make up my mind. I'm sure anyone can understand that.

Stop trying to decide and just go with the whipple. My car drives extremely smooth, better than it did when stock. Cruising around you wouldn't know that I have a SC until I get on it. IATs after the blower average 80 to 90 degrees while driving around and the highest that I have seen setting in traffic is 113. I'll post a dyno and track times in a few weeks when everything it finished.

 

[Evolvd]

Lol sure thing, you got 9 grand I can borrow?

 

[evo8904]

Lol sure thing, you got 9 grand I can borrow?

It's not 9k.

 

[mustang_guy]

Lol sure thing, you got 9 grand I can borrow?

Lethal was selling them at 15 or 20% off during black friday. Thats low 6000s if i recall their price correctly

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