Ecoboost or GT ???

[Proflig8tor]

I don't get the idea of aftermarket tuning something as highly engineered (and stressed) as the EB motors are.

I mean, if it were easy to achieve usable, reliable, gains, don't cha think Ford would have done it already?

... tuned turbocharged 4 cylinders are terrible to resell for a reason ... and it always seems those who can least afford to destroy their car's resale value are the one's quickest to do so.

Today ... good enough for Ford is good enough for me.

No disrespect intended,
Prof.,(an engineer and technical expert on aircraft turbine engines who is smart enough to realize he's too dumb to beat Ford at engineering an electronic control system)

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[fionic]

Good points everyone! I will definitely get the performance package whichever model I choose. I have the money to get the GT, I guess my main concern was year in and out of 16 mpg city driving vs. 22 mpg. I'm leaning toward the Coyote GT for the simple reason it's a tried and tested tough motor...and of course sounds really mean.

I will definitely drive both models when they're available. Thank you all, you are awesome!

I mean, that's what? maybe 1000 dollars more a year? big deal. If you have the money for the GT, go GT or not

 

[Proflig8tor]

Fionic,

Edmunds true cost to own might be a good reference for the difference in operating costs and total costs. The GT's cost more, so they depreciate more (generally speaking). The gas alone (GT to V6) is only like $700 a year.

Of course the Boss has done just fine in value YMMV as they say.

 

[OppoLock]

I don't get the idea of aftermarket tuning something as highly engineered (and stressed) as the EB motors are.

I mean, if it were easy to achieve usable, reliable, gains, don't cha think Ford would have done it already?

... tuned turbocharged 4 cylinders are terrible to resell for a reason ... and it always seems those who can least afford to destroy their car's resale value are the one's quickest to do so.

Today ... good enough for Ford is good enough for me.

No disrespect intended,
Prof.,(an engineer and technical expert on aircraft turbine engines who is smart enough to realize he's too dumb to beat Ford at engineering an electronic control system)

It's a fine balance between power, efficiency, reliability, and driveability. If we could make some kind of hypothetical slider with these being at different ends, I'm sure a tune could "move" that slider in one direction at the cost of negatively impacting another. It depends on what the buyer is looking for I guess.

 

[robb]

Aftermarket tuning in the VW GTI turbos get really good gains. They take a 200 hp 207 torque motor and tune it to 260 hp 280 torque with no hardware mods, just a simple reflash of the ECU. This is because they open up the turbo, spark, timing etc. They actually get better mileage too if you're driving normal, because of the extra torque. Of course the gas mileage dives when you horse it.

I think car makers have learned from these tuners and stretch more out of factory tunes, but they still need to walk a fine line between all around gas mileage and durability.

 

[Robinson02]

get the GT. If you are even slightly on the line with the decision, you will have buyers remorse if you dont go with the GT about a year down the line.

I want to turn off my computer screen everytime someone brings up a VW Golf or GTI. People really drive those? Those are sooooo ugly IMO.

If you want a turbo 4, go get an audi A5.
If you want an american muscle car, get the 5.0.

 

[OppoLock]

It's not that black and white. If someone wants an S550, the EB should be a great option. ^

 

[Hashbrownn]

If you want performance 5.0 V8. if you want a DD/grocery getter get the EB/V6.
EB performance will be sufficient but won't be impressive out of the box. Most of you will say "Aftermarket Tune" will fix that issue, and you know what? you're correct. At what cost though? get an aftermarket tune to raise your HP output and your MPG will suffer to the point, it will be comparable to the GT MPG. You can also void your warranty. To me, it's not worth it.

 

[Sal JC]

This thread should've ended with post #2

 

[Feeshta]

Depends on what you are looking for out of the car, but the brakes alone are worth the price of the V8 performance package. Everything else is just a bonus.

I'd have to differ there, especially considering it is a front caliper upgrade only. Having owned and driven numerous cars with good to excellent brakes including Brembos on STIs, 6 Piston BMW brakes on my 135i, etc, I don't believe the Brembos offer a palpable real world performance advantage. This is especially true with the 4 pistons that are already on the GT.

On a track they might be a real upgrade. On the street they are nothing but a name printed on your calipers for $2,500, and more money for replacement pads. The only exception would be if Ford really screws up the base brakes, and I doubt that. You are simply never going to heat load the factory brakes to the degree that the Brembos offer a real advantage.

I don't get the idea of aftermarket tuning something as highly engineered (and stressed) as the EB motors are.

I mean, if it were easy to achieve usable, reliable, gains, don't cha think Ford would have done it already?

... tuned turbocharged 4 cylinders are terrible to resell for a reason ... and it always seems those who can least afford to destroy their car's resale value are the one's quickest to do so.

Today ... good enough for Ford is good enough for me.

No disrespect intended,
Prof.,(an engineer and technical expert on aircraft turbine engines who is smart enough to realize he's too dumb to beat Ford at engineering an electronic control system)

The problem Ford has in tuning has a lot more to due with emissions than it does with reliability. A competently performed electronic tune has very little chance of negatively impacting the engine in any way other than the long term effect of a higher heat load, and possibly affecting the tendency to build carbon.

Higher capacity inter-cooler and free flowing exhaust are also examples of compromises Ford makes that a customer can change to his preference. In the case of the inter-cooler, Ford simply pinches pennies and goes with the smallest item that will work. In the case of the exhaust, Ford is stuck trying to please everyone, and inevitably errs on the conservative side as all manufacturers do.

Chip, intercooler, and exhaust could be done easily on these cars with very low chance of negative impact for the average owner, especially if they plan on selling after 100,000 miles or so.

I mean, that's what? maybe 1000 dollars more a year? big deal. If you have the money for the GT, go GT or not

I did the math, and for me personally the difference in cost between Ecoboost and GT over the course of a 5 year loan period was a little over $11,000, which comes out to a bit over $2,200 per year. This was calculated by factoring in the difference in purchase price ($7,400), insurance ($2,040 over 5 years from USAA), and estimated fuel costs ($1,717 over 5 years). For fuel costs I guessed that the Ecoboost would average around 25 MPG for me, and the GT around 21, which is a pretty conservative guess of the difference, it would probably be greater. I average around 12,000 miles per year, and I used the current local price for Premium fuel of $3.80 per gallon.

That doesn't consider depreciation, and a rise in fuel prices would take this difference out even wider.

Bottom line is the GT is a pretty large step up in price.

 

[Feeshta]

This thread should've ended with post #2

You could have stopped paying attention then. What hair is it off your back if people want to talk about something you already talked about?

 

[dwaleke]

Nothing against the EB, but a supercharged V6 would be a better comparison vs the V8 GT. Or even the V6 turbo from the F150.

Performance wise the 4 cylinder EB is comparable to a good V6. Not against a pretty good V8.

Comparing EB vs GT is kind of silly - when considering performance.

Disclaimer: I am a huge fan of forced induction.

 

[Spartan]

The option structure is also an annoyance to me. The performance package doesn't really feel like value to me on either car. For 2 or 2.5K you could get a quality coilover setup that would make the Ford performance package look silly. It's especially true on the v8 for me, as there is no way in hell I would want 3.73 gearing, but that's just me.

The problem is that Ford seems to have intentionally harnessed the lower models with ugly pieces that you simply want rid of. For example the interior looks downright goofy with three vents, but very nice with the dual gauges,

Disagree with the vents. I think the 3 vents looks sleek with the brushed metal. I think the PP dash is atrocious but that's just me. Looks like a pattern from the 80s.

and the base wheel options are even worse than the black performance package wheels. The only wheels that look even half decent are the GT PP wheels if you repainted them, and the optional 19x8.5 premium paint wheels on the GT, and they cost 1K as an optional upgrade which is as much as they would cost aftermarket.

The optional 19's are nice but yes expensive. I agree that the GT PP wheels are the best

 

[Spartan]

get the GT. If you are even slightly on the line with the decision, you will have buyers remorse if you dont go with the GT about a year down the line.

I want to turn off my computer screen everytime someone brings up a VW Golf or GTI. People really drive those? Those are sooooo ugly IMO.

If you want a turbo 4, go get an audi A5.
If you want an american muscle car, get the 5.0.

Get the X-Plan (Mustang Club of America) to save some cash.

I agree with Robinson...if you have the money get the GT.

I think that since this is the 50 year model, the GT is going to retain value more then before and with so many people going for the EB, you are going to just have a more unique car with the GT and obviously the sound. The EB will actually hold less value since so many people will be buying that car, meaning more on the roads, meaning more for sale in used car lots. And with the V6 being fleet, that won't hold much value either.

I sat there a while and ran the numbers and the way I viewed it was am I going to regret for a few more beers here/eating out not getting the GT.

I can see the GT every day because I'd be in it and driving it. I can't see the money I blow on food/beers other then in the toilet. So really are you throwing your money down the drain getting a GT? I don't think so, especially if it makes you H-A-P-P-Y!

Nothing against the EB, but a supercharged V6 would be a better comparison vs the V8 GT. Or even the V6 turbo from the F150.

Performance wise the 4 cylinder EB is comparable to a good V6. Not against a pretty good V8.

Comparing EB vs GT is kind of silly - when considering performance.

Disclaimer: I am a huge fan of forced induction.

I wish they had the following (we know the EB 3.5 or something close will be coming down the road...it's just a matter of time).

Base V6
EB-4 cylinder
EB-6 cylinder
Base V8

and let you choose what you wanted.

 

[Eville]

If you want a turbo 4, go get an audi A5.
If you want an american muscle car, get the 5.0.

Although I disagree with this statement, I understand your reasoning.

I say to each his own. Ecoboost or GT, both can and will coexist. We're all Mustang fans. Let's have a drink and sing kumbaya! :cheers:

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