Ecoboost Engine Blown?

[Glenn G]

No offense man but I don't get why people try to cheat the system its just kinda dishonest and crappy. If you changed your tune, downpipe, IC etc you shouldn't be playing it off under warranty like its Ford's fault. They designed the car the way they did and put the warranty on it that way you don't need to cheat them out of money. I know they are a big faceless company but at the end of the day it is taking money out of the pockets of the people that work there.

I understand what you are saying and generally agree, however were my engine to spin a bearing, have the HPFP go out, or any number of things that had nothing to do with my Mods would you eat the repair cost because you were lightly modded? Hell my oil pump could fail and take the motor out, I have not increased the RPM limit at all which is what normally breaks them. The transmission is the same one in the GT, just different ratios and I'm putting less power through it. I don't track the car, I don't drag race, I do make some high sped runs on the autobahn. The second gear synchro is a known problem with this trans and I baby it. I never pull in less than third gear. If it goes out It will definitely not be my fault.

The one thing I do expect to not last, is the stock turbo as I am pushing it too far beyond it's stock parameters, When the seals do give up in a few years, I will not be having FoMoCo foot the bill for it.

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[Glenn G]

Recycling the start button after flashing back to stock, has it been proven to eliminate the flash counts?

Won't eliminate flash counts, but will count up the start stop cycles on the ecu, which stores something like the last 50+ If they plug in to your car and get the factory tune, that's good and all but you have 10 k miles and 1 start stop cycle? Well that stretches credibility or was one hell of a road trip.

 

[GT Pony]

A very common misconception about FRPP parts. Here is the Warranty Info directly from FRPP's site. Read the first couple sentences. Your Ford warranty does not cover FRPP parts, even if installed by the dealer. On parts that offer an optional FRPP warranty for purchase they will be covered for the time/miles outlined in the specific FRPP info.

Thanks for the info, didn't realize that with Ford. I know with the Toyota TRD parts that a warranty still is valid. For instance, if I had the TRD supercharge installed on my Tacoma I believe the whole power train would still have the factory warranty.

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/trd-supercharger-warranty.209883/

 

[richard0ne]

Won't eliminate flash counts, but will count up the start stop cycles on the ecu, which stores something like the last 50+ If they plug in to your car and get the factory tune, that's good and all but you have 10 k miles and 1 start stop cycle? Well that stretches credibility or was one hell of a road trip.

Lmao.. that's driving around the world haha

I got you but what is the point of cycling it? If want warranty work and I flash back to stock, they can still tell that I flashed the ecu.. how does cycling the start/stop cycles relates to the flash? Lol sorry, first time tuning here

Isn't our goal is not show any flash (prolly not possible)?

 

[Brad]

Lmao.. that's driving around the world haha

I got you but what is the point of cycling it? If want warranty work and I flash back to stock, they can still tell that I flashed the ecu.. how does cycling the start/stop cycles relates to the flash? Lol sorry, first time tuning here

Isn't our goal is not show any flash (prolly not possible)?

Dealer can check how many times you've used the key. Re-flashing resets it to 0.

 

[richard0ne]

Dealer can check how many times you've used the key. Re-flashing resets it to 0.

I got ya.. EX: flashing it back to stock and then recycling the key 67 times, shows the the dealer you have 67 cycles vs 0 and they can't tell that u tuned your car?

Makes sense!

If this is true then :clap2:!!

 

[Gibbo205]

Keep fighting OP, and contact JMS too.

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This poor guy has learned the hard way, never ever ever use such devices on any car. These tuning plug in devices are absolute junk and will cause engine damage. All it does is simply increase boost beyond the ECU safety cut off, the result a very lean running engine and a hot one which will eventually self destruct.

The reason they state warranty friendly is because your not remapping the car or altering the ECU map, your just fooling the car's ECU. So they state warranty friendly on the basis you remove the device before taking your car in the dealership for service/warranty work.

On turbo cars you don't just simply turn up boost and hope for the best, you need to work in the tables on the original map and spend hours on a dyno setting up the map for boost, fuelling, ignition, variable cam timing, the list goes on and on. If you have had a custom map correctly done on a dyno from a reputable tuner your engine would no doubt be fine.

Really sorry this happened to you but these plug in boxes or whatever you want to call them are a disaster waiting to happen, always always get a proper tune/remap if you want more power, not plug in-devices which try to fool and over-ride ECU safeties.

 

[kz]

They state warranty friendly because it's the only things they could say - do you think anybody would buy it if they said "warranty unfriendly" ?

Let's just be serious...

 

[Evolvd]

It's not the dealership denying the warranty work, they get paid regardless. It's the district manager.

 

[Falcon01]

It's not the dealership denying the warranty work, they get paid regardless. It's the district manager.

They get paid at a significantly lower rate to a point where the dealership doesn't profit at all and can potentially lose money if the work takes longer than expected. They're paid at a rate set by Ford and for a specific amount of time to fix the issue. If they take less time, they get the same amount as if they took all the time or an extra 8 hours. That's why dealers hate dealing with complicated warranty work or work that they know they can't fix. Just time and money down the drain for them.


I speak from personal experience. As an example, when I picked up my Mustang, it had a loose glove box door. Something along the lines of pins not being installed or being installed incorrectly from the factory. I took it in, they quickly fixed it, looked at my tires and I was out of there in less than an hour. They worked on it immediately and gave me no issues. This was less than a week after I bought the car.

Before the Mustang, I had a 2015 Chrysler 200. Although not a bad car, it had a shit ton of issues which led to me getting a lawyer to deal with FCA's bullshit. The car was undrivable and had transmission issues. It was towed to the nearest dealer, also the one closest to my house per their roadside assistance program. The service manager looked at the car, said he didn't see any issues and told me to get going. I had him drive the car, where he found out what there were issues, told me first time he's ever seen this and that he's booked up for 2 weeks and that they don't give loaners. He said they can diagnose it in 2 weeks and should have it fixed in a month. He suggested I tow it (out of pocket) to my purchasing dealer 40 miles away. The service adviser found out about my issues and told me that they were common and no one knew why they were happening and that replacing the transmission only fixes it temporarily.

Two incredibly different service experience and I am not getting another Mopar vehicle in the foreseeable future or ever even.

 

[347CobraII]

They get paid at a significantly lower rate to a point where the dealership doesn't profit at all and can potentially lose money if the work takes longer than expected. They're paid at a rate set by Ford and for a specific amount of time to fix the issue. If they take less time, they get the same amount as if they took all the time or an extra 8 hours. That's why dealers hate dealing with complicated warranty work or work that they know they can't fix. Just time and money down the drain for them.


I speak from personal experience. As an example, when I picked up my Mustang, it had a loose glove box door. Something along the lines of pins not being installed or being installed incorrectly from the factory. I took it in, they quickly fixed it, looked at my tires and I was out of there in less than an hour. They worked on it immediately and gave me no issues. This was less than a week after I bought the car.

Before the Mustang, I had a 2015 Chrysler 200. Although not a bad car, it had a shit ton of issues which led to me getting a lawyer to deal with FCA's bullshit. The car was undrivable and had transmission issues. It was towed to the nearest dealer, also the one closest to my house per their roadside assistance program. The service manager looked at the car, said he didn't see any issues and told me to get going. I had him drive the car, where he found out what there were issues, told me first time he's ever seen this and that he's booked up for 2 weeks and that they don't give loaners. He said they can diagnose it in 2 weeks and should have it fixed in a month. He suggested I tow it (out of pocket) to my purchasing dealer 40 miles away. The service adviser found out about my issues and told me that they were common and no one knew why they were happening and that replacing the transmission only fixes it temporarily.

Two incredibly different service experience and I am not getting another Mopar vehicle in the foreseeable future or ever even.

Ford cannot control shop labor rate that's why it's so high to recover hours that are lost. Is it under shop rate yes like 5 or 10% Sample shop rate of 120 hr then what Ford pays that under shop rate like 110 hr. But dealership had 3 hrs in it only got paid for 2 hrs. What it actual cost to paid tech and etc is 70 hr so that makes up for 1 hr that wasn't paid. That's best way I can explain it just a bunch moving numbers around gets messy. My boss was showing me gets confusing fast

We raised shop rate for engine work over the rate for normal work

 

[GT Pony]

Shop rates are usually over $100/hr these days, and is pure robbery. Don't really know how shop rates got to be so high ... I guess they know not many can work on the newer cars these days so they bend the customer over hard.

 

[347CobraII]

Shop rates are usually over $100/hr these days, and is pure robbery. Don't really know how shop rates got to be so high ... I guess they know not many can work on the newer cars these days so they bend the customer over hard.

Too make up for lost because warranty screwed dealership. You can get cheaper rate if you know someone or bitch a lot they will cut the labor. It's really not about SCREWING customers over but to make up for the warranty didn't pay or what book time said but took longer. People think dealership are making money hand over fist when there not. Got service dept trying to make up for they didn't collect on, parts dept trying to under cut others oh and selling parts cheaper to there outside sales than what they sell them to service dept customers, then both parts and service cover sales dept. Customers trying to get out of paying for work being done. WHAT a circle isn't it

Bending over the customer you know you can say that about everyone

 

[Mattrix]

Update: Engine to be torn down by dealership

After having a meeting with the GM of the dealership he talked with Ford to help me out. They agreed to do a teardown on the engine to determine what happened and what caused it. If they find my mods caused it I'll have to pay for the teardown. If it was a Ford part failure then my warranty will be reinstated and the engine replaced.

 

[richard0ne]

Update: Engine to be torn down by dealership

After having a meeting with the GM of the dealership he talked with Ford to help me out. They agreed to do a teardown on the engine to determine what happened and what caused it. If they find my mods caused it I'll have to pay for the teardown. If it was a Ford part failure then my warranty will be reinstated and the engine replaced.

That's what I'm talking about and this is ALL i can ask for from a consumers standpoint! If my mod caused it, I'll pony up.. Keep us updated bro and best of luck!!

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