Ecoboost Engine Blown?

[richard0ne]

Just because a car has been modified does not mean that it developed a problem as the result of the modification. I see nothing wrong with returning to stock and letting ford determine the problem and cause. It may very well have been the result of a common defect in some cases but ford would end up blaming you. It's a bit melodramatic to say you're taking money out of the pockets of ppl who work there. The associated warranty costs resulting from modified cars is literally negligible on their balance sheet

I agree.. the dealerships here are assholes .. I asked them if a CAI would void my warranty and they said yes. They said ANY modifications will void it no ifs no buts.. So if I have a CAI and my clutch goes out, they will deny warranty work since I have a CAI??

To me, that is BS and a handful of dealers are like that. They are not willing to be reasonable whatsoever so why should we?

Now if I'm running 50 shot nos and blew up my engine, I wouldn't expect them to give me a new engine as well..

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[MCJUNKMAN]

I agree.. the dealerships here are assholes .. I asked them if a CAI would void my warranty and they said yes. They said ANY modifications will void it no ifs no buts.. So if I have a CAI and my clutch goes out, they will deny warranty work since I have a CAI??

To me, that is BS and a handful of dealers are like that. They are not willing to be reasonable whatsoever so why should we?

Now if I'm running 50 shot nos and blew up my engine, I wouldn't expect them to give me a new engine as well..

Yeah i mean that's kinda my point. If its something dumb like a catback or a CAI then it should be OK but leave it on if you really don't think it has an effect on warranty. I just see guys doing things like running crappy tunes from unknown tuners feeling like they are entitled to warranty when they aren't and shouldn't be. With the level of QC, design quality and testing in modern engines as well as the associated fail-safes and protection in the software its pretty darn rare/impossible to have an engine failure in a completely stock state.
Even something as simple as a larger intercooler can cause a buildup of condensation in the IC and can cause misfires killing the cataylst or even major engine damage (see the early ecoboost F150s). OEMs design things the way they do for a reason, and 99.9% of the time nowadays its for long term durability. It does really suck how some dealers treat modifications though and I get why a lot of guys don't want to take the chance. :cheers:

 

[cosmo]

Just because a car has been modified does not mean that it developed a problem as the result of the modification. I see nothing wrong with returning to stock and letting ford determine the problem and cause. It may very well have been the result of a common defect in some cases but ford would end up blaming you. It's a bit melodramatic to say you're taking money out of the pockets of ppl who work there. The associated warranty costs resulting from modified cars is literally negligible on their balance sheet

Warranty spend was $418 million per Ford's Q3 results of 2015. That's not negligible when the net profit was $2.1 billion. Half the warranty spend and you're at $2.3 billion.

 

[EcoSwag1990]

Warranty spend was $418 million per Ford's Q3 results of 2015. That's not negligible when the net profit was $2.1 billion. Half the warranty spend and you're at $2.3 billion.

I said: "The associated warranty costs resulting from modified cars"

You're talking warranty claims across their entire product line and 99.9% of that had nothing to do with customer modification. Especially considering the fact that the mustang only accounts for about 4% of vehicle sales

 

[cosmo]

I said: "The associated warranty costs resulting from modified cars"

You're talking warranty claims across their entire product line and 99.9% of that had nothing to do with customer modification. Especially considering the fact that the mustang only accounts for about 4% of vehicle sales

Doesn't matter. Money is money. A global company who was on the border of failing not even 10 years ago? They have profit finding teams set up in the company to find any savings possible. You can bet those teams have their hand in warranty. It's not like they have a Mustang warranty guy. They have an I4 team who looks at all the engines. I guarantee OP has signs of pre ignition on his pistons, a common sign of modifications. As soon as the warranty team sees that, along with the tech note stating that OP modified his vehicle, he's screwed.

Pay to play. Get a proper tune from a reputable tuner, adhere to guidelines from those familiar with the limits, and don't drive it poorly. Those are the guidelines for modifying.

EDIT: I'm not trying to be rude. I go to Milan speedway quite often and know some of these warranty guys for Ford. Typically they're a technical specialist related to the engine group. That's why warranty sometimes takes awihle, they have to ship the parts to the Ford design facilities.

 

[EcoSwag1990]

I already said they are not going to cover it and recommended going aftermarket

I'm a financial analyst for a major bank and money is money but $418,000,000x 4% mustangs x 10% modified mustangs = $1,672,000

That is a negligible amount of money for a corporation of Fords size.

My point being, it hurts you a lot more than it hurts them. My point is not that Ford doesn't care. To not return to stock and take your car in to be checked to see if it is something that can be covered for fear of contributing to such a miniscule amount on a corporation's balance sheet would be stupid

 

[Rough Hollow Man]

Cheap Wine, Cheap Women, and Cheap Mods can lead to major Headaches! Stick with name brand Mod companies as there's lots of Snake-Oil-Salesmen pushing cheap mods out there. It's been my hard earned experience that cheap horsepower is not reliable horsepower. Or as I was saying CAVEAT EMPTOR Dudes!

 

[GT Pony]

So if I have a CAI and my clutch goes out, they will deny warranty work since I have a CAI??

They will claim the added 3 HP the CAI gave was too much HP for the clutch - LoL. Or the driver was abusing the car to hear that new intake noise from the CAI. It's easy for them to come up with excuses on why not to honor the warranty. :doh:

 

[cosmo]

I already said they are not going to cover it and recommended going aftermarket

I'm a financial analyst for a major bank and money is money but $418,000,000x 4% mustangs x 10% modified mustangs = $1,672,000

That is a negligible amount of money for a corporation of Fords size.

My point being, it hurts you a lot more than it hurts them. My point is not that Ford doesn't care. To not return to stock and take your car in to be checked to see if it is something that can be covered for fear of contributing to such a miniscule amount on a corporation's balance sheet would be stupid

It of course hurts you more than it hurts them, but they aren't going to just ignore it, so they'll always want to minimize the amount of warrantied modified engines. They offer Ford performance products, even though none are available for the EB Mustang yet, that's their main idea of aftermarket support. Imagine if word got out that you could modify your cars and 90% of the time Ford would warranty it if something went wrong. Tunes would be more aggresive, mods more aggresive, and the warranty would skyrocket.

Another reason is, if a dealer warranties a part but the Ford tech denies it, the dealer has to pay for the part. So now you're dealing with a dealer warrantying a $2000 engine, that'll be more significant on their balance sheet. They don't like to warranty stuff that might be disproved, and with a performance car, that's a high possibility.

 

[GT Pony]

They offer Ford performance products, even though none are available for the EB Mustang yet, that's their main idea of aftermarket support.

That's the best way to go for people who want to modify and keep their warranty. Toyota does the same with their TRD line of mod parts.

 

[EcoSwag1990]

It of course hurts you more than it hurts them, but they aren't going to just ignore it, so they'll always want to minimize the amount of warrantied modified engines. They offer Ford performance products, even though none are available for the EB Mustang yet, that's their main idea of aftermarket support. Imagine if word got out that you could modify your cars and 90% of the time Ford would warranty it if something went wrong. Tunes would be more aggresive, mods more aggresive, and the warranty would skyrocket.

Another reason is, if a dealer warranties a part but the Ford tech denies it, the dealer has to pay for the part. So now you're dealing with a dealer warrantying a $2000 engine, that'll be more significant on their balance sheet. They don't like to warranty stuff that might be disproved, and with a performance car, that's a high possibility.

Every time you post I get more confused about the point. I don't think anyone in this thread argued that Ford isn't or shouldn't be trying to deny warranty claims. We also already recommended going aftermarket for block and reputable tuner

 

[cosmo]

Every time you post I get more confused about the point. I don't think anyone in this thread argued that Ford isn't or shouldn't be trying to deny warranty claims. We also already recommended going aftermarket for block and reputable tuner

Haha I know, I was confused too last reply. We're both saying the same thing, Ford isn't going to warranty these modified vehicles. I just disagreed about the comment about it being financially insignificant to Ford. I agree as a single engine it's insignificant, but they'll never treat it as such.

The warranty claims just kind of grew from the conversation.

 

[Rough Hollow Man]

Friday the 13th Dudes...strange happenings!

 

[JoshMac]

They offer Ford performance products, even though none are available for the EB Mustang yet, that's their main idea of aftermarket support. Imagine if word got out that you could modify your cars and 90% of the time Ford would warranty it if something went wrong.

That's the best way to go for people who want to modify and keep their warranty. Toyota does the same with their TRD line of mod parts.

A very common misconception about FRPP parts. Here is the Warranty Info directly from FRPP's site. Read the first couple sentences. Your Ford warranty does not cover FRPP parts, even if installed by the dealer. On parts that offer an optional FRPP warranty for purchase they will be covered for the time/miles outlined in the specific FRPP info.

 

[richard0ne]

They will claim the added 3 HP the CAI gave was too much HP for the clutch - LoL. Or the driver was abusing the car to hear that new intake noise from the CAI. It's easy for them to come up with excuses on why not to honor the warranty. :doh:

LOL right!?? I kid you not.. the service adviser told me that even a cold intake can channel the way air is being regulated and it can contribute to engine problems! Yes, they may have a point even though it's small and obnoxious.

With Ford racing parts, some dealer will deny the warranty work and let Ford Racing pick up the tab.. Say you bought the procal but have your own aftermarket BOV.. if your turbo, wastgaste, etc. get's screwed up, Ford racing MAY deny this as well and blame it on your BOV.. To be on the safe side, you will have to use their products.

Such a pain.. I have a tune from Unleash and I'm all stock.. heck not even getting a CAI since the stock BOV will went just crusing on the highway (from which I hear).

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