Ecoboost Engine Blown?

[Tune+]

What exactly shot through the block? My assumption (pointing it out to be fair) is a rod snapped and windowed the block. This has happened before and makes complete sense from an outside perspective having not actually seen the car. If that is the case it probably had nothing to do with "overboost" as much as it had to do with hitting the boost target too low in the RPM range.

There is a reason Adam [MENTION=19118]Tune+[/MENTION] adjusts the power to the right and this is the exact reason. A real tune is money well spent.

I know why this car failed. The same reason I tell people all the time to not buy the JMS modules. Have you ever seen a dynograph from one? It's seriously grim.

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[Shift]

Dibs on the front Roush bumper cover when you part it out!

I think he would part it out to someone else just to spite you :lol:

 

[347CobraII]

The issue is this - even if the system was JMS boostmax tricked - could it have created a scenario bad enough to throw a rod out the side of the block? Rods getting thrown out (as far as I know) are a result of poor workmanship or lack of oil - as opposed to overboosting and somehow that having enough force to overcome the strength of the rod/bearing on the stock turbo. Id assume if that were the case it would have been throwing codes and harshly pull back the timing when you got on it hard.


Wouldn't assume it would take more than 30-45 minutes to pop a cap off of one of the cam journals and check for abnormal wear. If it was bad enough to throw a rod, it probably marred the cam surface as well. Filter should have stopped all of the bottom end-nom-nom so none of it should be able to reach the cam journals.

You saying 100% it cannot do you design and build engines. You don't know just assuming it can't that's like holding firecracker in your hand hoping it's a dud

 

[NothernVAMustang]

"It has an MMR air intake, JMS BoostMax and PedalMax modules. All of these things were put on the car within a week of the car purchase back on July 28th" the guy had the BOOSTMAX and PEDALMAX before he ever developed the oil leak....... you guys make it seem like the oil leak happened before the mod but in fact he installed the boostmax and then everything went downhill

 

[347CobraII]

Doesn't matter he gave Ford the ammo period. We have no clue "if" or "if not" mods was the cause could have or not again we don't now. Problem he loaded tune in the car at one time then took car there with mods on it that send up more red flags. First Ford dealer did with blown engine was check the codes then looked for other mods. He's blaming Ford but he shot himself in the foot and crying foul really.

He should hit the guys up on hotrod parts or SEMA to help.


Dealership where I bought my 11 GT from then my 15 GT they had 14 GT with boss 302 manifold on it with 6k miles. I flagged saleman on it asked about warranty on said it had full warranty. Asked how can it with Boss intake and steeda CAI he went to service manager than back to me said nope not now. That car went to auction after that issue is that car was owned by guy who worked there in parts dept

 

[ultimate warrior]

"It has an MMR air intake, JMS BoostMax and PedalMax modules. All of these things were put on the car within a week of the car purchase back on July 28th" the guy had the BOOSTMAX and PEDALMAX before he ever developed the oil leak....... you guys make it seem like the oil leak happened before the mod but in fact he installed the boostmax and then everything went downhill

boost =/= oil leak



however i will say this much. the WHOLE POINT of the boostmax and pedalmax were that you could remove them with no trace for warranty work. any specific reason TS didnt go that route?

 

[MCJUNKMAN]

The issue is this - even if the system was JMS boostmax tricked - could it have created a scenario bad enough to throw a rod out the side of the block? Rods getting thrown out (as far as I know) are a result of poor workmanship or lack of oil - as opposed to overboosting and somehow that having enough force to overcome the strength of the rod/bearing on the stock turbo. .

I wouldn't quite say that. Overboosting and modifying signals like that could cause severe pre-ignition and result in a a major failure. It has been said before and I will say it too the JMS module does not seem to be an entirely safe proposition.
And engine can be "safe" at 500hp all day with proper tuning, but if you run it with a bad tune even at 300hp and have a severe pre-ignition event it can and will throw a rod.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Chameleon]

They have not given any reason. The haven't even sent anyone out to look at it. For now they're going off of what the dealership sent them. The dealership has no idea what exactly is broken because they don't tear them down.

The oil in the car was fine. I had made sure it was topped off after the first leak and then kept checking it. That is how I discovered the 2nd leak. I caught it quick and hadn't lost a noticeable amount of oil.

Is it possible the BoostMax went hay-wire? Yes it is, but is it the cause in this case? That needs to be determined before the warranty can be voided. After talking with people from JMS they have only seen issue when people use the module and then custom tune for crazy boost. I did apply the canned SCT tune that is on my tuner. That was well before I started having issue and it was only applied for a very short time to test. That test resulted in disappointment that the car in automatic mode didn't shift any better. I love the paddle shifters but I always expected the shifts to be faster and crisper than they are in auto.

Keep fighting OP, and contact JMS too.

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[Budwise]

If that mod upped the boost too soon in the powerband it loads the engine and puts a ton of stress on everything in it. Thats why in boosted car community they always tell you "Never get into boost in overdrive or too low RPM's". If this PedalMax thing does that for you then there's the issue. Issues like this is why after I blew the turbo up in my Mazdaspeed3 going 130 down the straight of TWS I swore off all Turbo cars and went back to good ole NA.

 

[ultimate warrior]

I wouldn't quite say that. Overboosting and modifying signals like that could cause severe pre-ignition and result in a a major failure. It has been said before and I will say it too the JMS module does not seem to be an entirely safe proposition.
And engine can be "safe" at 500hp all day with proper tuning, but if you run it with a bad tune even at 300hp and have a severe pre-ignition event it can and will throw a rod.

Just my 2 cents

lets assume that the JMS module had been creating a scenario that was detonating so badly that it bent a rod - yet the car threw no codes (AFAIK), wasn't pulling back retarded timing, not pinging/knocking like a banshee. its actually a good question. Theoretically it would be doing the same level of damage every time the car hit whatever rough spot in the power band.


btw I am not in any way suggesting that the JMS module is safe - its stupid. Yet TS somehow forgot that the JMS solution was MARKETED AS A WARRANTY SAFE SOLUTION - IE YOU COULD REMOVE IT AND THE DEALER WOULD NEVAH KNOW.

 

[MCJUNKMAN]

lets assume that the JMS module had been creating a scenario that was detonating so badly that it bent a rod - yet the car threw no codes (AFAIK), wasn't pulling back retarded timing, not pinging/knocking like a banshee. its actually a good question. Theoretically it would be doing the same level of damage every time the car hit whatever rough spot in the power band.


btw I am not in any way suggesting that the JMS module is safe - its stupid. Yet TS somehow forgot that the JMS solution was MARKETED AS A WARRANTY SAFE SOLUTION - IE YOU COULD REMOVE IT AND THE DEALER WOULD NEVAH KNOW.

Yeah that's a very good point, the knock sensors should have kept it safe, I guess maybe it was just one freak event? Or maybe a combo of the JMS and the low oil for a time idk. I just was trying to add to the discussion, because its seems like a lot of people don't understand the difference in engine loading between making big power and detonation (ie you could run at 800hp and not see the same loading as you would during one bad PI event). I keep seeing "these engines are good for 400hp it shouldnt have failed"... well yes but only if they aren't detonating/knocking their brains out.

 

[GoBlues38]

vehicle already had a known, documented oil leak.

damage likely occurred from said leaking.

you were told it was ok to drive it.

i dont see the issue here.

Does not mean anything. EVERYONE knows if you tune a car, especially anything adding boost, you are on your own when it comes to warranty claims.

Sucks for the OP, but he knew he was playing with fire when he bought and installed those parts. Can't blame ford if he got burned.

If my car had any signs of an engine problem at all, i would be 100% stock untill i was 1,000% sure it was fixed.

 

[MSMStannyl]

"It has an MMR air intake, JMS BoostMax and PedalMax modules. All of these things were put on the car within a week of the car purchase back on July 28th" the guy had the BOOSTMAX and PEDALMAX before he ever developed the oil leak....... you guys make it seem like the oil leak happened before the mod but in fact he installed the boostmax and then everything went downhill

This^

It does seem like at least some of the mods were done before the first sign of any trouble (the cracked hoses, etc.). This seems to be a case of minor damage over time finally leading to a catastrophic failure as opposed to just one major catastrophic event. I think OP would've def had a better case if those first issues (cracked hoses, oil leaks) had happened before any mods. As it is though, it seems like Ford can easily point to cause and effect with the mods slowly destroying the engine and/or starving it of oil.

All of that being said, I feel for the OP. I've been really holding off on modding my GT in any way that would void the warranty for this reason. Hell, I was even apprehensive about installing an oil separator on it. However, at this point, that's all I've got on there in the hopes of protecting/prolonging the engine life. Even still, I'd be worried that if something happened, the dealer/Ford would point to the AOS and say "that's obviously what caused it"!

The other thing is OP should definitely contact JMS. As someone else pointed out, they clearly state that the BoostMax is "warranty safe" in their description. What they don't specify (at least I haven't seen it) is whether that means the mod itself is warranty safe being installed, or if they mean you can take it off if something happens so that the dealer won't know, thereby being "warranty safe".

Guess it doesn't much matter now as it sounds like the OP has been up front with the dealer and Ford on what was done to the car. At this point JMS could also point to your "1 hour tune" and say that's what caused it.

What it seems you will be left with here is a bunch of entities pointing fingers at each other saying "he did it", with nobody to pay the bill. That sucks and I hope you get this worked out somehow OP.

 

[kz]

Of course all the tuners are going to tell you whatever they sell is "warranty safe".

Think about it as en engine manufacturer - you design the engine for specific performance, why the hell would you be responsible for stuff that people put on it because they think they know better ?

As I mentioned, work in aircraft engine business. Not pennies like Mustang engine, millions of dollars to repair it if it breaks. Second we find the tiniest non-OEM part in it, all warranty / support for that particular engine is immediately gone.

I honestly can't understand why people expect manufacturer to pay for something that they chose to do on their own risk - and I blame internet forums for that and the myth of "safe mods"

 

[Mattrix]

I've contacted everyone about this issue. JMS, Roush, MRT, MMR, Steeda, Ford Customer Service, Roush Yates, Livernois and 3 other local Ford dealerships. Some of those people are trying to help, others are not. From here on out I'm only going to post about worth wild updates. I knew coming into this that some would support while others would not. I'm perfectly fine with that and like I said before I'm willing to accept responsibility if I have to. Until then I'm going to continue to find solutions to this problem.

Thank you everyone for posting and weighing in, I appreciate it.

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