Driving in manual mode

[Tomster]

I don't dispute the trans tune would be better than I would, I was just asking about the protections. I will let the trans "school me" on the shift pattern/sequences on a lap or two and for the sake of engagement, I may want to manage my own shifts. It would be interesting to see which was faster and by how much.

In the 350R at any particular track, the gears, and when you shift them is pretty routine. I suspect the 500 will probably be the same.

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[Tomster]

If you think about it they (Ford) had to design it to be mostly idiot proof. I bet you'd have a hard time breaking the auto trans shifting it manually whatever which way.

My biggest problem with manual shift is forgetting to downshift at a stop. It's super hard to do a hole shot from the light in 4th gear. Chugga-chugga!

No, the trans will downshift in manual mode in that scenario. I was comfortable testing that. I am not comfortable with testing if I can grenade the engine on a money shift.

 

[CJJon]

No, the trans will downshift in manual mode in that scenario. I was comfortable testing that. I am not comfortable with testing if I can grenade the engine on a money shift.

My 2014 would not downshift like that. I've less than 200 miles on the 2020 so I am not familair with what it does yet. I would still not be too concerned about a missed shift causing issue.

 

[Goose17]

My 2014 would not downshift like that. I've less than 200 miles on the 2020 so I am not familair with what it does yet. I would still not be too concerned about a missed shift causing issue.

The DCT is a different animal. Tom is correct, the tranny will downshift when slowing even while locked in M.

 

[Tomster]

I hate to bother the guy, but @BillyJRacing would know the answer to this.

In track mode (or sport mode for that matter), while driving in manual mode, will the transmission logic protect you from exceeding a limitation (red line)? In other words, can you money shift a GT500 while operating in manual mode?

The manual doesn't specifically say and I can't find any reference.

Thanks

 

[Goose17]

I hate to bother the guy, but @BillyJRacing would know the answer to this.

In track mode (or sport mode for that matter), while driving in manual mode, will the transmission logic protect you from exceeding a limitation (red line)? In other words, can you money shift a GT500 while operating in manual mode?

The manual doesn't specifically say and I can't find any reference.

Thanks

The tranny will not let you downshift resulting in RPMs above redline in any mode. It simply won’t allow the shift.

 

[kilobravo]

Jon: Been there, done that, have the video. <laughing>

I tried to make Manual my normal driving mode not long after delivery. That lasted about ten minutes because as you said, you keep FORGETTING. I too found the rev limiter by daydreaming.

KB

 

[Tomster]

The tranny will not let you downshift resulting in RPMs above redline in any mode. It simply won’t allow the shift.

Of all people, Tim, I take what you have to say seriously. Is that written somewhere? If there was an issue, I need to point to something official in writing.

 

[Tomster]

Jon: Been there, done that, have the video. <laughing>

I tried to make Manual my normal driving mode not long after delivery. That lasted about ten minutes because as you said, you keep FORGETTING. I too found the rev limiter by daydreaming.

KB

Interesting, so you are driving in manual mode. Your foot has the accelerator pinned to the floor. You forget to shift to third gear..... did the transmission automatically select the next higher gear when it hit the RPM limit, or was there a fuel cutoff preventing further engine RPM?

 

[Goose17]

Jon: Been there, done that, have the video. <laughing>

I tried to make Manual my normal driving mode not long after delivery. That lasted about ten minutes because as you said, you keep FORGETTING. I too found the rev limiter by daydreaming.

KB

It boils down to having too many options and losing track what modes you are in, especially during a distraction event like a phone call. With a manual transmission car, I would never forget to shift. With the DCT, you can forget you have locked the tranny into M very easily.

Of all people, Tim, I take what you have to say seriously. Is that written somewhere? If there was an issue, I need to point to something official in writing.

The manual doesn’t specifically mention it in the M shifting section, but it is discussed in the Live paddles section:

 

[Goose17]

Interesting, so you are driving in manual mode. Your foot has the accelerator pinned to the floor. You forget to shift to third gear..... did the transmission automatically select the next higher gear when it hit the RPM limit, or was there a fuel cutoff preventing further engine RPM?

If you hit the M button, the tranny will not up shift. Your engine rev limiter kicks in, which happened to me chatting on the phone.

I just got back from driving mine. I used both manual (M) and auto (D) modes out playing, but I now have a rule that if I am in M and have anything distracting pop-up, I take the tranny out of M before addressing the distraction. Also, when it’s time to boogie (full performance driving), it is nothing but D for me.

 

[Snoopy49]

SelectShift in Manual (M)
• Provides a permanent manual gear selection where full control of gear selection is required. Manual does not automatically upshift even if the engine is approaching the RPM limit. It must be shifted manually by pressing the (+) button.
• Pull and release (tap) the right paddle (+) to upshift.
• Pull and release (tap) the left paddle (-) to downshift.
• Pull and hold both the right paddle (+) and the left paddle (-) for a temporary neutral position. Neutral (N) remains until you release both paddles.
• Pull and hold the right paddle (+) to command the transmission to sequentially upshift to the maximum allowed gear.
• Pull and hold the left paddle (-) for the lowest allowable gear. This is only available in Normal and Sport drive modes.

 

[Tomster]

It boils down to having too many options and losing track what modes you are in, especially during a distraction event like a phone call. With a manual transmission car, I would never forget to shift. With the DCT, you can forget you have locked the tranny into M very easily.

The manual doesn’t specifically mention it in the M shifting section, but it is discussed in the Live paddles section:

I agree. I don't think the manual specifically addresses these concerns. Reading between the lines, I could see how manual mode carries over with the same shift logic. Both you and I work in a business where we need to know things that are important, not assume that is how they work.

I really thought the manual wasn't written very well pertaining to the logic of how this exactly works.

 

[Tomster]

OK.... So.....

In manual (assuming independent of mode (sport, track, etc) :

• you can't money shift the car.
• you cannot exceed redline if you forget to shift, but its on you to select the next gear.
• The logic will downshift to protect against lugging the engine.

That was painful, lol
Good to know, all is appreciated.

 

[Snoopy49]

The instrument cluster displays your currently selected gear. If you request a gear but it is not available due to vehicle conditions, the current gear flashes three times.

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