DIY Turbo Kit

[Tamadrummer88]

This isn't something where you can just cobble together parts and hope it works just so you can say "hey look, i spent $2k on my turbo setup, you don't need those other guys." If you just do it thinking you know what you need, you'll have mismatched parts and the car won't run right or maybe even blow up. As others mentioned companies take the time to R&D their kits so that you can do it right the first time and not worry about problems later down the road. I think the single most expensive thing in a kit is the tune file as that probably takes a lot of time to do not counting fabricating all the parts and doing test fits, etc. Id rather spend the money and get a properly engineered kit than go and source it all myself and build it myself (assuming i had the knowledge to do so) I don't want my $30k car to turn into a paperweight the moment i go WOT.

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[Ron@cp-e]

Looking forward to seeing it released. Is American Muscle doing the tuning?

that's another detail still being ironed out
stay "tuned"

 

[Ron@cp-e]

So the image you attached above is whats needed excluding the turbo correct

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nope
there's much more
this was a pic I wanted to share
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[Ron@cp-e]

What a snipe!!!!:threadjacked:opcorn:

well this thread isn't vendor specific and it's a truly important fact that cp-e has the only kit with a cast stainless manifold that retains twin scroll and uses a twin scroll T4 EFR turbo:clap2:

 

[BOOSTED-SVO]

pricing TBD
keep an eye out for a thread from Alex @ American Muscle
only reason this has taken a little longer than some kits is the cast manifold process. We wanted to do it right the first time!


coming soon

I'm just praying and praying this will be priced right. You guys being local make it that much more favorable to my needs.

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[Tune+]

well this thread isn't vendor specific and it's a truly important fact that cp-e has the only kit with a cast stainless manifold that retains twin scroll and uses a twin scroll T4 EFR turbo:clap2:

For now, I know Full-Race has been working on a kit for a year. Ford keeps pushing them around to do other projects and they can't finish it.

The CP-E kit is the first true twin-scroll turbo kit on the market.

 

[shanezt]

This is a good question. Why does every one have a hard on for twinscroll? Ball bearing turbos are not needed. I cant understand the effort put into keeping the "stock" spool time. the stock turbo spool is GOD AWFUL. Turbo cars are meant to have lag and then incredible, mind boggling, never ending top end. We need an AFFORDABLE kit, a quick bolt on turbo to support 500-600hp. Whats wrong with a nice cheap turbonetics journal bearing T4 frame turbo? I know back in the day they could be had for $800 with a crazy warranty. Then of course we need this horrible fuel system figured out.

 

[Tucsonturbos]

Why cant we buy our own turbos and purchase the manifold separately? And im just curious if it really cost that much to upgrade the turbocould someone break down the price cause a 5858 is only around 1.6k so where does the rest of the 3k go?

seeing as this has become a vendor parade, yes you can make a diy kit. look at fox body mustangs, 240sx's, 2jz anything, etc... kits are convenience but its not hard to get your own made. just follow the basic steps...

1. pick your turbo
2. buy/make/have a machine shop make a flange for turbo to headerfold and have a tube welded between the flanges. ( twin scroll/ single scroll doesnt matter. its such a small turbo/displacement that the benefits would be unrecognizable to most)
3. have an exhaust shop modify stock downpipe for under $100 vband or not
4. go to autozone or mcmastercar to find fitting for oil and or coolant lines.
5. intake lines.. again summit racing can get metal bend/extensions and have a shop or craigslist welder fix.
6. if an external wastegate is needed than again exhaust shop or welder weld in a divorce pipe (cheaper/easier)

this is not the prettiest solution at all but is the most cost efficient. just remember you pay to play and most companies have their setups already fit but again just because this is a new platform doesnt mean it is any different than older ones. i've worked with fd/handful of fc rx7's, 2js's, and subaru platforms to understand turbo upgrades. it all depends on how much you are willing to work with on your own and how long you can live with your car being out of commission.

 

[Tucsonturbos]

This is a good question. Why does every one have a hard on for twinscroll? Ball bearing turbos are not needed. I cant understand the effort put into keeping the "stock" spool time. the stock turbo spool is GOD AWFUL. Turbo cars are meant to have lag and then incredible, mind boggling, never ending top end. We need an AFFORDABLE kit, a quick bolt on turbo to support 500-600hp. Whats wrong with a nice cheap turbonetics journal bearing T4 frame turbo? I know back in the day they could be had for $800 with a crazy warranty. Then of course we need this horrible fuel system figured out.

yes, totally agree. i was a machinist before i enlisted and its not hard at all to make a header (lack of) or compensate coolant lines. its all a cash grab with stats and numbers not supporting the forum or people. granted they need to make money but saying there are no better ways or anything less is garbage is complete BS.

 

[bluestang50]

that's another detail still being ironed out
stay "tuned"

I hope bama isn't the only person who will tune your kit. :barf:

 

[Biffosaur]

This is a good question. Why does every one have a hard on for twinscroll? Ball bearing turbos are not needed. I cant understand the effort put into keeping the "stock" spool time. the stock turbo spool is GOD AWFUL. Turbo cars are meant to have lag and then incredible, mind boggling, never ending top end. We need an AFFORDABLE kit, a quick bolt on turbo to support 500-600hp. Whats wrong with a nice cheap turbonetics journal bearing T4 frame turbo? I know back in the day they could be had for $800 with a crazy warranty. Then of course we need this horrible fuel system figured out.

1. Twinscroll turbos, when matched with the proper manifold, will spool quicker than a standard turbo. That's why.

2. Please show me a production car with a better spool time

3. No, not all turbo cars are meant to have lag and then "never ending top end"....ever seen a rally car?

4. Theres nothing stopping you from throwing a T4 on your car. Infact, I encourage it because I'd love to see how it works:cheers:

Lastly, please explain how the fuel system is "horrible". It's more than acceptable for the stock car and supports vehicles with mods WELL into 11 second passes...that's pretty respectable imho :ford:

 

[shanezt]

1. Twinscroll turbos, when matched with the proper manifold, will spool quicker than a standard turbo. That's why.

2. Please show me a production car with a better spool time

3. No, not all turbo cars are meant to have lag and then "never ending top end"....ever seen a rally car?

4. Theres nothing stopping you from throwing a T4 on your car. Infact, I encourage it because I'd love to see how it works:cheers:

Lastly, please explain how the fuel system is "horrible". It's more than acceptable for the stock car and supports vehicles with mods WELL into 11 second passes...that's pretty respectable imho :ford:

The stock spool is TOO FAST. Takes the fun out of driving the car, drives kinda like a V8. its a turbo car it should drive like one. And i dont care about rally cars, its a mustang they are meant for straight line. (i wish it had a solid axle still so we can run a proper 15" slick)

The fuel system sucks, DI sucks. MAkes it way to complicated to run e-85. Would be nice to drop in some ID1000 injectors, tripple pumps and run 35psi boost on corn. I cant wait till they get this ironed out, E-85 is so plentiful its almost a crime to not run it. Ford had the right idea, the world needs more turbo/rwd cars, this car is my poor mans Supra.

 

[evan546]

This is a good question. Why does every one have a hard on for twinscroll? Ball bearing turbos are not needed. I cant understand the effort put into keeping the "stock" spool time. the stock turbo spool is GOD AWFUL. Turbo cars are meant to have lag and then incredible, mind boggling, never ending top end. We need an AFFORDABLE kit, a quick bolt on turbo to support 500-600hp. Whats wrong with a nice cheap turbonetics journal bearing T4 frame turbo? I know back in the day they could be had for $800 with a crazy warranty. Then of course we need this horrible fuel system figured out.

Couldn't have said it better myself

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[higdominator]

that's another detail still being ironed out
stay "tuned"

I just need a tooner kit, my tuning solution is ironed out

What a snipe!!!!:threadjacked:opcorn:

Free market...Maybe you like it where the absence of competition leaves the market stagnant and without innovation? I hear North Korea is nice this time of year.

The stock spool is TOO FAST. Takes the fun out of driving the car, drives kinda like a V8. its a turbo car it should drive like one. And i dont care about rally cars, its a mustang they are meant for straight line. (i wish it had a solid axle still so we can run a proper 15" slick)

The fuel system sucks, DI sucks. MAkes it way to complicated to run e-85. Would be nice to drop in some ID1000 injectors, tripple pumps and run 35psi boost on corn. I cant wait till they get this ironed out, E-85 is so plentiful its almost a crime to not run it. Ford had the right idea, the world needs more turbo/rwd cars, this car is my poor mans Supra.

You must be new. A turbo 4 that drives like a V8 is a bad thing? You must like a car that is a dog off the line then tries desperately to make it up on the top end.

I like mine to make linear power- kind of like a V8 so, ya know, I can go fast where it counts and not have a highway queen that drives like crap on the street.

We also don't need a 15" slick- it's 2015, there are great tires made that work just as well. Me and a few others have cut 1.5's on these horrible low-pro drag radials. Life is tough, maybe you can run a 28" slick on a 17...

Running E85 isn't rocket science, not much to iron out. I will be one of the few doing it here soon- parts are in the mail.

You need a fuel rail from CP-E (I prefer as it directs fuel into each port) or a TB rail. Some injectors- like stock Coyote injectors, and a controller. It's not hard, you just have to pay to play.

The stock spool is TOO FAST

The stock spool is TOO FAST

The stock spool is TOO FAST

The stock spool is TOO FAST

The stock spool is TOO FAST

Toyota has 0% financing and $2000 cash back on Prius right now...

 

[Tune+]

I just need a tooner kit, my tuning solution is ironed out


Free market...Maybe you like it where the absence of competition leaves the market stagnant and without innovation? I hear North Korea is nice this time of year.



You must be new. A turbo 4 that drives like a V8 is a bad thing? You must like a car that is a dog off the line then tries desperately to make it up on the top end.

I like mine to make linear power- kind of like a V8 so, ya know, I can go fast where it counts and not have a highway queen that drives like crap on the street.

We also don't need a 15" slick- it's 2015, there are great tires made that work just as well. Me and a few others have cut 1.5's on these horrible low-pro drag radials. Life is tough, maybe you can run a 28" slick on a 17...

Running E85 isn't rocket science, not much to iron out. I will be one of the few doing it here soon- parts are in the mail.

You need a fuel rail from CP-E (I prefer as it directs fuel into each port) or a TB rail. Some injectors- like stock Coyote injectors, and a controller. It's not hard, you just have to pay to play.

















Toyota has 0% financing and $2000 cash back on Prius right now...

Buwhahahhahahaha.

Nobody said you couldn't build your own kit, they simply told you it might not be cost effective to build a comparable kit.

I can build you a turbo kit for $1,500 dollars. It will spool like shit, leak from the seals after 1,000 miles, and eventually the manifold will crack. What you are paying for is quality, engineering, testing, and no hassle.

If you are expecting every company that makes a turbo kit to collect all the parts for you, fabricate and test fit everything together, test it, dyno it, tune it, and then sell it to you for material/parts cost then you don't deserve a turbo kit.

If you can't appreciate it, and know where the price of the kit comes from, then that $2,000 cash back on a Prius might be for you.

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