direct fuel injection, is it coming soon?

[Grimace427]

It'll happen sooner or later... and it should have been sooner (and was clearly intended, given the casting)

If you are referring to the little bump in the combustion chamber that was a bit of misunderstanding by a magazine editor back in 2009-2010 when the engine was introduced. That bump has nothing to do with DI. If you look on the top side of the cylinder head you will find a big lack of room for the piezo injector. The head would have to be completely redesigned for DI so that little bump is there for other reasons, likely chamber quench and/or swirl.

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[Free Agent]

I am hoping that they at least hold off until model year 2017. Give this new body at least a 2 year run. Don't pull another 2010/2011 100 HP switcheroo on the early adopters. Plus it would make sense with the Camaro coming out model year 2016 to see what GM rates the new LT1 in the Camaro with before tipping their hand with the DI Coyote. Then come out with the DI Coyote in MY 2017 (or 2018) with more HP than the LT1 for "bragging rights". As others have said the new model is going to sell on its merits alone, save the engine HP bump for the 3rd or 4th year of the run or the refresh at that time.

I've got to say if I buy a 425 HP 2015 GT and Ford turns around and pumps out a 500 HP GT for essentially the same price for the 2016 model year I am going to be grumpy and have a severe case of buyers remorse.

 

[WRC]

I'm not sure we ever see a regular GT pack 500HP factory from Ford. I don't think DI would get us quite there and at a certain pt they have to start turning back the clock. A lot of the power increases over the years have also been to keep pace with the increasing weight of the newer cars and that too will have to start to come down soon...if not already.

 

[Free Agent]

I'm not sure we ever see a regular GT pack 500HP factory from Ford. I don't think DI would get us quite there and at a certain pt they have to start turning back the clock. A lot of the power increases over the years have also been to keep pace with the increasing weight of the newer cars and that too will have to start to come down soon...if not already.

You would think so at least.

I've been "got" before as my 04 GTO came with 350 HP and the next year GM turns around drops the LS2 in with 400 HP and I get a 50 HP shot of buyers remorse. (I've made up for that lack of HP since then, but it has cost me money modding.) If the '15 GT had 425 or 430 HP and the '16 GT turned around and had 475 or 480 HP it would make me an unhappy camper. I think I could stomach it more if they waited until the 2017 MY or if it were only say a 30 HP boost. I could make that 30 HP up with and intake/exhaust and tune more than likely. But 50 HP or more and now we are talking things like headers, cams or more expensive mods that I'd rather not have to spring for to "keep up" if you take my meaning.

Its always a crapshoot with buying a car, they always evolve. But it sure could feel bad to someone if they could have held out an extra year for a significant HP boost. Just my 2 cents. ;)

 

[Grimace427]

DI would be worth around 20-25hp at most in a naturally aspirated engine from an OEM, not 75hp.


Moreover, who could be disappointed with the performance of a Coyote anyway? Even in 420hp form it's still a load of fun under the hood.

 

[WRC]

You would think so at least.

I've been "got" before as my 04 GTO came with 350 HP and the next year GM turns around drops the LS2 in with 400 HP and I get a 50 HP shot of buyers remorse. (I've made up for that lack of HP since then, but it has cost me money modding.) If the '15 GT had 425 or 430 HP and the '16 GT turned around and had 475 or 480 HP it would make me an unhappy camper. I think I could stomach it more if they waited until the 2017 MY or if it were only say a 30 HP boost. I could make that 30 HP up with and intake/exhaust and tune more than likely. But 50 HP or more and now we are talking things like headers, cams or more expensive mods that I'd rather not have to spring for to "keep up" if you take my meaning.

Its always a crapshoot with buying a car, they always evolve. But it sure could feel bad to someone if they could have held out an extra year for a significant HP boost. Just my 2 cents. ;)

For me, a power increase would not cause a ton of buyer's remorse. They are bound to improve something even in 2016. Even if they did bump the power, we can easily come close to whatever increases DI would bring with mods like the ones you mentioned. What would really cause buyer's remorse for me is a new engine altogether, which seems unlikely based on everything we know, new and much improved tranny, stuff like that.

DI would be worth around 20-25hp at most in a naturally aspirated engine from an OEM, not 75hp.


Moreover, who could be disappointed with the performance of a Coyote anyway? Even in 420hp form it's still a load of fun under the hood.

Agreed. It wouldn't be 75hp anyway if your talking about getting to 500. It would be on top of whatever increases are in store this year. Maybe from 440--->500? Whatever the case it shouldn't come close and my feeling is after DI, the continuous HP gains have to start flattening out and coming down a little. They can make up for it if they just make the damn cars lighter.

 

[Free Agent]

DI would be worth around 20-25hp at most in a naturally aspirated engine from an OEM, not 75hp.


Moreover, who could be disappointed with the performance of a Coyote anyway? Even in 420hp form it's still a load of fun under the hood.

I hope that is the case. (From a selfish standpoint.) 420 is fun, but more is always better. ;)

For me, a power increase would not cause a ton of buyer's remorse. They are bound to improve something even in 2016. Even if they did bump the power, we can easily come close to whatever increases DI would bring with mods like the ones you mentioned. What would really cause buyer's remorse for me is a new engine altogether, which seems unlikely based on everything we know, new and much improved tranny, stuff like that.



Agreed. It wouldn't be 75hp anyway if your talking about getting to 500. It would be on top of whatever increases are in store this year. Maybe from 440--->500? Whatever the case it shouldn't come close and my feeling is after DI, the continuous HP gains have to start flattening out and coming down a little. They can make up for it if they just make the damn cars lighter.

Agreed on making them lighter. Problem is the government wanting more and more safety nannies and the publics desire for more electronic gizmos and gadgets. That stuff adds up. I don't want an unsafe bare-bones steel box but then again I don't desire an overladen, every option available heavy freight train as well.

 

[Thed]

Problem is the government wanting more and more safety nannies and the publics desire for more electronic gizmos and gadgets. That stuff adds up.

This summarizes every modern vehicle to a T.

 

[S550Boss]

Point is that it's not the HP and torque number that matters.... as much as it's the weight it has to haul around. That's' why the new 2015 Dodge Challenger motor is so meaningless... it's hauling around 4300 pounds. And it's got skinny tires to boot, so there's no traction anyway. Dumb.

So that's the bigger question here... what does the 2015 Mustang weigh. If it does indeed weigh another 200 pounds over the equivalent 2014 (as one press site claims), then another 20 HP isn't going to make much difference.

 

[Frizzle]

Point is that it's not the HP and torque number that matters.... as much as it's the weight it has to haul around. That's' why the new 2015 Dodge Challenger motor is so meaningless... it's hauling around 4300 pounds. And it's got skinny tires to boot, so there's no traction anyway. Dumb.

So that's the bigger question here... what does the 2015 Mustang weigh. If it does indeed weigh another 200 pounds over the equivalent 2014 (as one press site claims), then another 20 HP isn't going to make much difference.

If Ford adds another 200lbs I won't be getting a 15/16 Stang, instead I'll be looking into a 13/14 GT. I thought Ford was focused on dropping 200+lbs from the Stang.

 

[Falc'man]

What DI would bring mostly is a good lift in bottom-end power. Having torque peaking below 4000rpm would alter the character of the 5.0.

'16MY? That early?

Do you think we'll see the 10-speed auto at the same time?

I figured we'd have to wait for the first refresh ('17/'18MY??) before we saw either, but the former would match what we saw in the latter part of the S197's life (2010 = New body / 2011 = New engine/gearbox / 2013 refreshed bodywork)

You're right, 2016 does seem too early. The first refresh like you suggest would be more accurate than 2016.

 

[Falc'man]

Ford have been quoted as saying the following:

- They aimed to lose weight with S550.
- They're hitting their targets.

That means there's weight loss.

 

[DMV]

Define soon? Major powertrain changes will not happen for a few years so do not worry about buying the 15.

Correct that DI alone will add about what is quoted above but the overall increase will be a little more.

 

[w3rkn]

Ford already has a DFI in the Mustang... in the ecoboost.
;)


Secondly, all ford engines will be DFI in just 3 years.. early adopter Here, will have the last of the raw power.

MY17 will bring in a new engines, downsized.
The GT350 will feature a twin-turbo V6. (TQ, not HP will be Ford's new motto)


FI & DFI (ie: EcoBoost) is part of the Mustang's future. It's inevitable.

 

[Voodoo1796]

For me, a power increase would not cause a ton of buyer's remorse. They are bound to improve something even in 2016. Even if they did bump the power, we can easily come close to whatever increases DI would bring with mods like the ones you mentioned. What would really cause buyer's remorse for me is a new engine altogether, which seems unlikely based on everything we know, new and much improved tranny, stuff like that.

I think it would really come down to where the power came from. In the case of the Goat, they went from the LS1 to the LS2, so it was a new motor. I could see having some buyers remorse there, as I would see it with the early adopters who picked up the '10 Mustangs with the redesign and then a year later here comes the Coyote! Same thing with adding DI. You couldn't really just add DI in to your non DI Coyote over the weekend (well, not to speak for everyone, I know I can't).

If it the new power comes via a redesigned exhaust, cams, intake...ok, I can catch up to that, I wouldn't be too upset. If it is a bump in power and you look at it and it turns out really nothing changed at all, then you could likely assume it was in the tune, and worst case scenario I wouldn't be surprised if there was a way to get your hands on the software to add the same boost.

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