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Hello; The antibody test before deciding on a vaccine is the part I have the least confidence about. I do not know enough about the tests. Much would depend on which side of the test false results would happen. If it was false negatives such would not make much difference as a person would think they had not yet been infected and may want to chance the vaccine.

A false positive on the other hand could give the person a false idea they had been infected and had an immune response. This could be bad for an older person or someone with the more at risk comorbidities. I understand there are a number of different antibody tests so would want to know which have proven to be the more accurate. Of the three ideas this one may be the lesser in terms of working for a positive outcome.

The one dose idea and the survivor idea are the stronger of the three ideas. Picture this; At some point in a country half the people will have been injected with two vaccine shots. At that very same point in time the entire country could have had one injection.
Since this is a world wide pandemic and the story is the virus is all around, then there ought tor be some number of cases where a person had only one shot and before the second shot became infected with the virus the vaccine is for. Those cases can be used as a way to test the idea of a one shot practice.
If all or most of the post one shot infections are similar in nature to cases of the non vaccinated, then the one shot idea is in question.
If all or most of the post one shot infections are asymptomatic or very mild then the one shot idea can have merit.
It was a month between the first and second shot. That month ought to have exposed some to the infection. By this time there should be some solid evidence one way or another.

There is reported evidence about the reinfection of those who have survived the infection. The sources I have read tell a positive story. The reinfections are rare and when they happen are reported to be mild. I have a couple of theories about this and may write about them later if needed. Of the three ideas the survivors can skip the vaccine is likely the stronger.
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Ah, there is the rub. Yes, a positive test would tell if you had the infection (the test is not perfect though) however, it would not tell you much about individual immune response. Some people have a very robust response, others not so much. You really can't see the flaw in your logic?

One thing to remember, smarter people than you or I have thought about all of this. You are not coming up with any novel ideas. The problem is when people like you cast suspicions on the process (and the people involved with it) it causes others to lose faith and join the din of dissent. Round and round things go and then we have a not insignificant number of kooks who are refusers and the pandemic persists.

We really need to all be on board with this and trust the experts and the process. All of those that think they know better (or just can never be told what to do) will be the ruin of us all. If not now, then someday soon.
Man, you like snake oil don’t you? First you say the test is not perfect but end the post with “trust the experts”, lol.

Oh man... the irony.

Guess what?.. There are no experts, except maybe the people who developed this manufactured calamity in Wuhan.

You Monday morning QBs are what’s scary... telling people who think for their ownselves and don’t drink the kool aid that they’re the problem is fanatical in itself.

But, preach on, buddy... the choir is either lol’ing or amening you. Let it be just that.
 

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Man, you like snake oil don’t you? First you say the test is not perfect but end the post with “trust the experts”, lol.

Oh man... the irony.

Guess what?.. There are no experts, except maybe the people who developed this manufactured calamity in Wuhan.

You Monday morning QBs are what’s scary... telling people who think for their ownselves and don’t drink the kool aid that they’re the problem is fanatical in itself.

But, preach on, buddy... the choir is either lol’ing or amening you. Let it be just that.
More reading comprehension issues...Conspiracy theorist too.

Mmm-kay.
 

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"I got mine !" :rockon: Having endured siamese Nam tours and two ex wifes, why tempt fate. :crackup:
 

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None of these vaccinations are FDA approved yet.
That is my biggest problem with the huge push to vaccinate. Statistically not wearing a seat belt is more dangerous then covid in my age group but I could post about seat belts being terrible and get crickets. Post about the vaccine being largely untested in the medium term for pregnant women and get impaled.

Vaccinating people in the riskier groups is an absolute no brainer but the push to vaccinate healthy children and young adults is strange. Considering this is not a sterilizing vaccine I just don’t get the push. If this was a drug that was shown to take your chances of death in the young from .0001% to .000001%, I think the fda would want to at least approve it before recommending it go to expecting mothers. I understand death is not the only negative impact but we need more longer term data.

I think we might be putting fear and capitalism before best practices. I am very happy the technology covid has forced investment into though. mRNA has so much medial promise for a wide range of cancers and other diseases.
 
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I haven’t read all the posts but can imagine what’s been said.
ijust want to add, if it haven’t been said before.
I refuse to live in fear.
I refuse to take a vaccine for a mutating virus that doesn’t have a high risk to me.
if you are at risk, by all means take every precaution.
Otherwise just live , and burn lots of fossil fuel and rubber!
 

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I haven’t read all the posts but can imagine what’s been said.
ijust want to add, if it haven’t been said before.
I refuse to live in fear.
I refuse to take a vaccine for a mutating virus that doesn’t have a high risk to me.
if you are at risk, by all means take every precaution.
Otherwise just live , and burn lots of fossil fuel and rubber!
I am at risk because of people like you.
 

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That is my biggest problem with the huge push to vaccinate. Statistically not wearing a seat belt is more dangerous then covid in my age group but I could post about seat belts being terrible and get crickets. Post about the vaccine being largely untested in the medium term for pregnant women and get impaled.

Vaccinating people in the riskier groups is an absolute no brainer but the push to vaccinate healthy children and young adults is strange. Considering this is not a sterilizing vaccine I just don’t get the push. If this was a drug that was shown to take your chances of death in the young from .0001% to .000001%, I think the fda would want to at least approve it before recommending it go to expecting mothers. I understand death is not the only negative impact but we need more longer term data.

I think we might be putting fear and capitalism before best practices. I am very happy the technology covid has forced investment into though. mRNA has so much medial promise for a wide range of cancers and other diseases.
Moderna is testing its COVID-19 vaccine in children — ages six-months through 11 years old. Some long term scary shit these kids will have to grow up with .
 

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This thread just proves that if humans had screw top heads there would be some people that would monkey with their brains.
How naĂŻve. Efficacy aside, they have proven to be very safe.
Proven? Where is the proof for something that has not even been out for a year? Who's naive?
 

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