Covid Shots

[K4fxd]

Why all the hate for that drug?

If a Dr and his/her patient think it will help why strong arm the Dr? It won't hurt anything and just might help.

Pure politics. This is another reason I don't believe anything coming from the so called experts. They have politicized a virus.

There are 100's of thousands of first line medical professionals who refuse the vaccine, or is that flat earth stuff too?

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[shogun32]

It does not help as randomized controlled studies have shown.

it did not help in USA-run, deliberately too late to do a damn thing, "studies" you mean. I've read those papers. They deliberately sabotaged the study to get the outcome they wanted.

HCQ has helped tremendously in other countries where doctors are free to practice Medicine and not politics.

Now maybe you think this guy is a quack. It's worth a listen nonetheless.

 

[CJJon]

Why all the hate for that drug?

If a Dr and his/her patient think it will help why strong arm the Dr? It won't hurt anything and just might help.

Pure politics. This is another reason I don't believe anything coming from the so called experts. They have politicized a virus.

There are 100's of thousands of first line medical professionals who refuse the vaccine, or is that false reporting too?

Because that is not how the safe and effective practice of medicine works. I just referenced potential for harm and evidence that it does not work. It should not be used in the prevention or treatment of covid.

Politics? Why? What is the political motivation? More flat Earth talk.

Some medical professionals are irrational too. They are human after all. Some doctors operate drunk too. Both are wrong. (And it isn't 100's of thousands...)

 

[shogun32]

It should not be used in the prevention or treatment of covid.

and yet it has full-throated support in Africa, France, India, Brazil and many more. Ivermectin is considerably better, no question.

To claim it's not safe or effective if flat-out FALSE. It's the Birx/FroudXi party line, absolutely. When your science is driven by politics and making money for big Pharma, you're no longer practicing science/medicine. Fouchi has REpEATEDLY been caught shilling for big pharma and deliberately inteferring with treatment recommendations so his buddies can make money. The rank dishonesty and self-dealing by the NIH is not something new and it predates FroudXi. Instead of being a man fo science he's been hip deep in the corruption his whole career.

And let me guess you actually believe Remdisivir is useful and effective despite it proving out multiple times to be the opposite.

 

[CJJon]

and yet it has full-throated support in Africa, France, India, Brazil and many more. Ivermectin is considerably better, no question.

Again - Why?

Simple question, but why would physicians care if we used it if it is as great as you say? Why?

 

[K4fxd]

Well CJJon after reading your posts all I can say is you are following the party line.

People blindly following the authorities has worked out well throughout history

 

[CJJon]

it did not help in USA-run, deliberately too late to do a damn thing, "studies" you mean. I've read those papers. They deliberately sabotaged the study to get the outcome they wanted.

HCQ has helped tremendously in other countries where doctors are free to practice Medicine and not politics.

Now maybe you think this guy is a quack. It's worth a listen nonetheless.

I spent a few minutes on the video and the guy - crackpot. Even read through his manuscript.

 

[CJJon]

Well CJJon after reading your posts all I can say is you are following the party line.

People blindly following the authorities has worked out well throughout history

Huh? Blindly?

Do you not see the irony? Good grief!

 

[luc]

What risks? It has been prescribed since the 1950's. It has been proven to be safe.


I'd rather take it than the vaccine.

Why?

 

[CJJon]

Why?

Right?1? it's topsy-turvy. HCQ has been proven ineffective and unsafe and the vaccine has been proven to be safe and effective.

I just don't get it.

 

[shogun32]

Again - Why?

Simple question, but why would physicians care if we used it if it is as great as you say? Why?

they use HCQ (and Ivermectin, thank you Egypt studies, among others) because it's so cheap it's nearly free, has an UNRIVALED safety record of 70 years (it's safer than friggin' asprin) and it works and works great when given before the virus has gotten such a foothold that your body is already on it's last legs.

But even in those dire circumstances people here in the USA who are literally at death's door, the ever so somber doctors in the ICU have shaken their heads and said "we have nothing else to try", they've bid their family their final goodbyes, and our mere hours away from death, have gotten a last-ditch HCQ infusion and within 2 days, sometimes as little as 1 come back to life, come off the vent and are alive today.

If you don't know about any of these not-exactly infrequent cases you sir, are very BADLY read.

As to 'safe and effective' I guess you're clueless about cancer protocols? People will pay any money, sign any waiver you put in front of them to try all kinds of experimental treatments if it means a vanishingly remote chance at a few more weeks of life. Are you really going to sit there and tell us that Wuhan victims shouldn't be given the same accommodation? You seriously think an honest doctor who isn't being threatened, who isn't being lied to gonna say, Nope, the almighty gods at the NIH and CDC say HCQ and Ivermectin didn't work so I am going to REFUSE your possibly last request and callously stand here and watch you die?

Come on man, what kind of medicine do you and your compatriots practice anyway?
Huh, Puget Sound WA, figures. Thanks btw you guys who didn't make ANY attempt to isolate all the nursing home and medical staff in your state who were working in Wuhan-infected facilities. Before you keep trying to cast shade on HCQ/IVer/etc. how about a national appology for FAILURE to conduct infection control 101 for weeks on end? I mean, you guys are so about 'safe and effective' protocols and all that...

 

[K4fxd]

Why?

because HCQ has a 70 year track record of being safe. The covid vaccine cannot say that. Hell they can't even say if it will be effective 6 months after taking it.

 

[CJJon]

Come on man, what kind of medicine do you and your compatriots practice anyway?

World-class, safe, evidence-based medicine practiced by physicians that are not beholden to any outside interests, political or otherwise. My system has been held up as a model for others around the world. People come to us from many other countries to learn how to provide the most safe and effective medicine possible. We consistently achieve the highest level of accreditation possible by numerous regulatory organizations. You will find none better in the country, bar none.

 

[K4fxd]

World-class, safe, evidence-based medicine practiced by physicians that are not beholden to any outside interests, political or otherwise.

Except when it comes to covid and HCQ.

 

[CJJon]

because HCQ has a 70 year track record of being safe. The covid vaccine cannot say that. Hell they can't even say if it will be effective 6 months after taking it.

It does not work to treat covid though. Why take the risk (which is not zero) for no benefit?

That makes no sense.

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