Covid Shots

[shogun32]

Two shots is what is still recommended and that is what was studied in the trials.

yes you gave perfectly healthy young people 2 shots and managed not to kill any of them.
Big FUCKING DEAL!
Did you then take those people and shove them into a highly infectious area so they could be sure to get a full blast of virus? Nope, you didn't. Why not?

I mean if you're gonna claim it confers immunity, that would be a PERFECTLY SAFE thing to do. I have had my shots for Polio. I can go swim in a tank full of concentrated polio feces all day, towel off and I won't catch Polio.

See how that works? That's because we have PROVEN EFFECTIVE polio vaccines that confer 100% sterilizing immunity to exposure.

What's wrong the Wuhan stick that it doesn't do the same?

We run the very real risk of not vaccinating people effectively and another wave of variants will take hold.

uh, huh so why do we crank out a new Flu vaccine every year and manage to get that one wrong over and over? I mean those wrong guesses DIRECTLY lead to DEATHS!!! 50,000 of them EVERY year. Why aren't you medical people in prison or the bottom of a mass grave for failing at your job and murdering lots and lots of people thru your incompetence?

Clearly you are a shill. You actually BELIEVE this so-called 'vax' confers immunity and yet NOT ONCE did any of the paperwork filed with the EUC request SAY IT DID. Go ahead, I'll wait while you read the Pfizer, Moderna, etc. filings and highlight the text that says their EVIDENCE shows that it confers immunity. And that furthermore they've got the DATA that it has the requisite testing over sufficient sample size and long-term study to provably demonstrate it is safe.

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[CJJon]

yes you gave perfectly healthy young people 2 shots and managed not to kill any of them.
Big FUCKING DEAL!
Did you then take those people and shove them into a highly infectious area so they could be sure to get a full blast of virus? Nope, you didn't. Why not?

I mean if you're gonna claim it confers immunity, that would be a PERFECTLY SAFE thing to do. I have had my shots for Polio. I can go swim in a tank full of concentrated polio feces all day, towel off and I won't catch Polio.

See how that works? That's because we have PROVEN EFFECTIVE polio vaccines that confer 100% sterilizing immunity to exposure.

What's wrong the Wuhan stick that it doesn't do the same?

uh, huh so why do we crank out a new Flu vaccine every year and manage to get that one wrong over and over? I mean those wrong guesses DIRECTLY lead to DEATHS!!! 50,000 of them EVERY year. Why aren't you medical people in prison or the bottom of a mass grave for failing at your job and murdering lots and lots of people thru your incompetence?

Clearly you are a shill. You actually BELIEVE this so-called 'vax' confers immunity and yet NOT ONCE did any of the paperwork filed with the EUC request SAY IT DID. Go ahead, I'll wait while you read the Pfizer, Moderna, etc. filings and highlight the text that says their EVIDENCE shows that it confers immunity. And that furthermore they've got the DATA that it has the requisite testing over sufficient sample size and long-term study to provably demonstrate it is safe.

So much wrong with your post. I will focus on one, however. What you posit we do regarding exposing people to Covid (or anything really) both vaccinated and unvaccinated to see how they react to it is unethical and illegal. Just the fact that you are wanting that type of study shows your ignorance and lack of understanding of the process these vaccines went through to get the EUA.

 

[Sivi70980]

uh, huh so why do we crank out a new Flu vaccine every year and manage to get that one wrong over and over? I mean those wrong guesses DIRECTLY lead to DEATHS!!! 50,000 of them EVERY year.

I will say the one time I got the flu was the same year I got the flu shot and not from the shot but a month or so later. Haven't done the flu shot thing since, going on almost 20 years now and I'm perfectly fine. Multiple friends I have always seem to get sick a couple times a year. I'm the lucky one I guess cause I get sick once every 5 years or so. Mom ran a day care when I was growing up so I'm guessing my immune system had to do some heavy lifting and maybe that's why I'm better off now. Or I'm just lucky.

 

[shogun32]

I see front line physicians and health care workers who have worked for months without breaks. I see the open sores they have on their faces from wearing masks for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week.

right, and because "effort == knowledge". Dude, this is pathetic. Your hard working doctors, bless their hearts are IGNORANT. And who is keeping them that way? They could be saving lives left, right and center, but their licenses are being threatened by politicians and the medical establishment if they dare go off script. "But we don't know what to do" may be a very sincerely held believe but it's NOT TRUE. Bleeding patients with leeches was a very sincerely held belief too of your cherished field if you recall. How useful was that? Remember mercury? Various concoctions for the vapors? Iron depletion?

If doctors the world over and pockets within the USA are being neigh 100% successful, what does that tell you about the doctors who are failing? If "follow the science" is the holy grail and "official science" is failing, isn't it time to try something else? Now if doctors all over the place tried the alternatives and it failed miserably, then sure, mock the alternatives all you want. But if you REFUSE to try it, to run your own experiment, you're just a rote-automaton - we have nurses for that. Doctors are supposed to THINK and do every damn thing they can to save a patient. If the Chinese over a year ago PROVED you go on a ventilator you're 95% dead, why would it make any sense to think that this time, I put Margaret on the vent, she'll pull thru?

Maybe you should read the papers published by your peers across the country, that describe in painstaking detail HOW this infection works, what mechanisms it triggers in the body, and what dirt-cheap drugs are trivially available to keep the immune system response in check? Hell, spend some time with MedCram.

 

[K4fxd]

Because the medical establishment REFUSED and to this day is REFUSING to treat the inflammation that the Wuhan infection triggers.

I must have a good Dr because he prescribed steroids to stop inflammation when I tested positive.

Although I do remember in the news the CDC or some agency telling Dr's they would suspend medical licenses if they prescribed anti inflammatory drugs for covid.

 

[luc]

and yet you haven't posted WORD ONE to studies that prove any of that. Hey, you "teach" other medical peoples, right? How about posting those incontrovertible supporting documents? Any of them?
But if your entire thesis is an appeal to experts (recognize that little fallacy?) then you've got nothing to stand on. Using the CDC's OWN METHODS used for decades for counting cases that they curiously threw out the window (can you tell me when they did so?), the so-called case count is a FRACTION of the shocking figures bandied around in the mass media.

Maybe you'd also like to expound on the veracity of Wuhan PCR "tests" that were done in direct contradiction of the very guy who invented them, and wax eloquent on what the falsity distribution looks like at various CT values?

If you're an educator, how about you try your hand at your profession and educate all us imbeciles spouting provable nonsense?

how do you explain the over 300.000 extra deaths in 2020 compared to 2019 ?
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[shogun32]

exposing people to Covid (or anything really) both vaccinated and unvaccinated to see how they react to it is unethical and illegal.

yes I know that. But guess what, the guy who invented the Polio vaccine did just that!! So he could PROVE it works.

ok, so you don't subject them to deliberate contamination without getting their consent. Pay them a million bucks to be that lab rat who will prove (or not) the damn thing works! This is not hard at all.

That the "study" sent their inoculated peoples out into the world and waited a while to see who got sick and by how much doesn't actually prove the thing works. First and foremost because the study didn't actually test for pre-existing immunity. Yup, talk about INCOMPETENT test formulation.

And anyway, so your young, healthy subjects survived the experience and maybe even managed to brush off a 'novel' infection without incident. Please explain how that can be extrapolated to >65yr olds in questionable health?

I'll wait.

 

[CJJon]

right, and because "effort == knowledge". Dude, this is pathetic. Your hard working doctors, bless their hearts are IGNORANT. And who is keeping them that way? They could be saving lives left, right and center, but their licenses are being threatened by politicians and the medical establishment if they dare go off script. "But we don't know what to do" may be a very sincerely held believe but it's NOT TRUE. Bleeding patients with leeches was a very sincerely held belief too of your cherished field if you recall. How useful was that? Remember mercury? Various concoctions for the vapors? Iron depletion?

If doctors the world over and pockets within the USA are being neigh 100% successful, what does that tell you about the doctors who are failing? If "follow the science" is the holy grail and "official science" is failing, isn't it time to try something else? Now if doctors all over the place tried the alternatives and it failed miserably, then sure, mock the alternatives all you want. But if you REFUSE to try it, to run your own experiment, you're just a rote-automaton - we have nurses for that. Doctors are supposed to THINK and do every damn thing they can to save a patient.

Maybe you should read the papers published by your peers across the country, that describe in painstaking detail HOW this infection works, what mechanisms it triggers in the body, and what dirt-cheap drugs are trivially available to keep the immune system response in check? Hell, spend some time with MedCram.

I have no idea what you are going on about. You really are confused on how medicine works. We just can't go trying things willy-nilly on people to see what happens. That sets one up for disaster. It is not safe and you run the real risk of killing people in the process. Good doctors, who care about the safe treatment of their patients would never practice in such a way.

Oh, and we still use leeches in medicine today.

 

[CJJon]

yes I know that. But guess what, the guy who invented the Polio vaccine did just that!! So he could PROVE it works.

ok, so you don't subject them to deliberate contamination without getting their consent. Pay them a million bucks to be that lab rat who will prove (or not) the damn thing works! This is not hard at all.

That the "study" sent their inoculated peoples out into the world and waited a while to see who got sick and by how much doesn't actually prove the thing works. First and foremost because the study didn't actually test for pre-existing immunity. Yup, talk about INCOMPETENT test formulation.

And anyway, so your young, healthy subjects survived the experience and maybe even managed to brush off a 'novel' infection without incident. Please explain how that can be extrapolated to >65yr olds in questionable health?

I'll wait.

See, there you go yet again. You could not conduct such a study even if the participants agreed to it. It would still be unethical and illegal. Professionals who would participate in such a study would most likely lose whatever credentials they had.

Uhhhm, you can 'extrapolate' things via statistical and risk-benefit analysis. Basic stuff really. Happens all the time.

 

[shogun32]

Although I do remember in the news the CDC or some agency telling Dr's they would suspend medical licenses if they prescribed anti inflammatory drugs for covid.

exactly the problem. It was the AMA and governors (MI, WA, NV, CA for starters) who made medical decisions by doctors a political football. So what if some docs wanted to use anti-inflammatories and it didn't help or worse killed the patient. Don't we have medical malpractice insurance for that?

My friend was getting damn close to death's door. But no, the doctor didn't want to lose his license for giving her, even on a trial basis a trivial, prescribed a million-times-a-day treatment. She had to go 'black market' to save her life. This is "modern" medicine?

Surgical teams MURDER 200,000 people EVERY SINGLE YEAR thru their sheer, sole, incompetence. Where's the hue and cry over that? Even if you want to attribute all 1/2 million deaths to Wuhan, that's just 3 years worth of PREVENTABLE surgical deaths. No big deal. I mean we don't bring those so-called experts up on murder charges of depraved indifference...

 

[shogun32]

how do you explain the over 300.000 deaths in 2020 compared to 2019 ?

gross medical incompetence by first-world countries interested in a political and $$$$$$ treatment plan rather than a medical one that is practically free and works.

 

[CJJon]

exactly the problem. It was the AMA and governors (MI, WA, NV, CA for starters) who made medical decisions by doctors a political football. So what if some docs wanted to use anti-inflammatories and it didn't nothing or worse killed the patient. Don't we have medical malpractice insurance for that?

My friend was getting damn close to death's door. But no, the doctor didn't want to lose his license for giving her, even on a trial basis a trivial, prescribed a million-times-a-day treatment. She had to go 'black market' to save her life. This is "modern" medicine?

Surgical teams MURDER 200,000 people EVERY SINGLE YEAR thru their sheer, sole, incompetence. Where's the hue and cry over that? Even if you want to attribute all 1/2 million deaths to Wuhan, that's just 3 years worth of PREVENTABLE surgical deaths. No big deal. I mean we don't bring those so-called experts up on murder charges of depraved indifference...

And the Earth is flat, right?

 

[luc]

gross medical incompetence by first-world countries interested in a political and $$$$$$ treatment plan rather than a medical one that is practically free and works.

Trying to understand what you said:
So basically you don’t dispute the extra 300.000 deaths due to COVID-19 but attribute them to medical/political malpractice ?

 

[shogun32]

We just can't go trying things willy-nilly on people to see what happens.

uh, it's YOU who is painfully ignorant at how medicine works. Why do doctors prescribe stuff wildly off label? Because oddly enough it works either from personal previous experimentation, the grapevine or a side-channel source of knowledge. They experiment all the damn time. That's how the entirety of medicine has worked for 3000 years.

Take the simple Crohn's disease. There's at least a half dozen theraputics. Doctors try various combinations of diet, 6 different meds, and other tangentially related (or not releated) concoctions till they find one that works for the patent. Do they give a shit that the combo isn't in the sole compendium of approved medical knowledge? No. as long as it works and has no untoward side-effects, it's good to go. If it works for enough patients they write a paper and other doctors get clued in that hey, this other alternative works as well.

 

[shogun32]

you can 'extrapolate' things via statistical and risk-benefit analysis.

from 20-something healthy individuals to a broader population of like-age and like-condition patients. Sure. But as a medical "professional" you actually believe you can extrapolate that into a geriatric population of lousy health says a lot about your understanding of the human body.

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