Covid Shots

[MagicMike]

I think you need a new play book.

At least I have a playbook. Better than that wad of tissues and crumpled tinfoil.

So I did not mean to come across as completely attacking you. Now I feel bad. I only wanted to soothe and correct - and if Kleenex or Puffs were needed then so be it.

But seriously, with your "wet dream" comments it's a bit hard to resist. As a proud American on the most famous internet forum ever - I will do better.

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[shogun32]

According to Italian-language media outlets, 57-year-old Sandro Tognatti died after receiving the jab in his hometown of Biella on Saturday afternoon. He soon developed a high fever, but went to bed anyway, he his wife, Simona Riussi, told the Italian press.

The next morning, Riussi awoke to find Tognatti dead.

No, I'm not claiming correlation is causation. But it's funny how a bunch of EU countries have halted the AZ 'vax' distribution while they "investigate" a decent handful of other "coincidences". The cause may well be just probabilities. "Do not fear citizen, it's just a precaution." But do you really want to risk your life over it?
https://www.pri.org/stories/2021-03-16/more-countries-halt-use-astrazeneca-vaccine

I did some VERY rough napkin math of deaths/doses for Flu (2019) and USA 'jabs' for Wuhan per https://vaers.hhs.gov/ reports. Now there is good reason to doubt some of those reports but also it's well known that under-reporting is just massive. By my calc the Wuhan "jab" is killing up to 165x (given that Wuhan is a mix of 1 or 2 jabs) but probably more like 100x as many people than the Flu vax did from adverse reaction. Others have penciled it out to somewhere above 30x. Neither number controls for age-group distribution.

That there is a very "safe" vaccine don't you think? "Do you feel lucky? Well, do ya?"

 

[CJJon]

He has some legit questions that you just ignore and call them "nonsense" or other dismissive terms.

Then you call thought that is different from yours as "dangerous"

Because they are not legit.

How long would you take to explain to a flat-Earth believer that the Earth is actually an oblate spheroid? I would not take too much time at all and would be justified in calling the views nonsense.

 

[CJJon]

No, I'm not claiming correlation is causation. But it's funny how a bunch of EU countries have halted the AZ 'vax' distribution while they "investigate" a decent handful of other "coincidences". The cause may well be just probabilities. "Do not fear citizen, it's just a precaution." But do you really want to risk your life over it?
https://www.pri.org/stories/2021-03-16/more-countries-halt-use-astrazeneca-vaccine

I did some VERY rough napkin math of deaths/doses for Flu (2019) and USA 'jabs' for Wuhan per https://vaers.hhs.gov/ reports. Now there is good reason to doubt some of those reports but also it's well known that under-reporting is just massive. By my calc the Wuhan "jab" is killing up to 165x (given that Wuhan is a mix of 1 or 2 jabs) but probably more like 100x as many people than the Flu vax did from adverse reaction. Others have penciled it out to somewhere above 30x. Neither number controls for age-group distribution.

That there is a very "safe" vaccine don't you think? "Do you feel lucky? Well, do ya?"

"Wuhan"

From your article


A lot of experts still say the benefits of the AstraZeneca vaccine outweigh the risks. Dr. Barry Bloom, former dean of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, told The World’s Marco Werman that the investigation to find a causal link between the AstraZeneca jab and blood clots will be challenging.

“The way WHO has dealt with it is you ask, 'What is the rate we know about heart attacks or strokes or suicide or thrombosis prior in those countries to there being the availability of a vaccine or COVID[-19]?'” Bloom said.

“And the answer is: 'It's very, very low.' And if 3 million people are vaccinated and only 22 got thrombosis, that turns out to be statistically in the same range that would happen if there were no vaccination in the same countries. That is not proof that the vaccine didn't do that. But it certainly is evidence that it hasn't raised the level of thrombosis greater than would be expected if there were no vaccine.”

 

[shogun32]

A lot of experts still say the benefits of the AstraZeneca vaccine outweigh the risks. Dr. Barry Bloom

right but his opinion carries BUPKIS in the circles of the gov'ts and their advisors who made the decision to shut it down. You can find a hundred "but AZ is worth the risk" toadies all day long - he's from Harvard, the cesspool of gov't boot licking, no less.

If the decision makers are not convinced, your "science-based" argument must not be very compelling, then huh.

I gotta know, what is it about American Big-Med that thinks it's just fine to dive head-long off the experimental medical injection cliff and damn the torpedoes? Dont' you think you should be trying to convince YOUR OWN PEOPLE to take it? And yet there are a slew of doctors who are refusing and furthermore advising patents to refuse, it only for a while till more data comes in with regard to safety and efficacy. You have to be malicious or ignorant to think "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" is a good idea in large scale medical practice.

If you can't make your case to your own brethren indoctrinated and educated to your same levels, where do you get off cramming and shaming the general population to go along with your initiative? Or is it your position that all those doctors who refuse to toe the official line are Q-Anon, kooks, imbeciles, and fools?

 

[CJJon]

right but his opinion carries BUPKIS in the circles of the gov'ts and their advisors who made the decision to shut it down. You can find a hundred "but AZ is worth the risk" toadies all day long - he's from Harvard, the cesspool of gov't boot licking. If the decision makers are not convinced, your "science-based" argument must not be compelling, then huh.

And round and round you go!

 

[CJJon]

Sniped stuff....

If you can't make your case to your own brethren indoctrinated and educated to your same levels, where do you get off cramming and shaming the general population to go along with your initiative? Or is it your position that all those doctors who refuse to toe the official line are Q-Anon, kooks, imbeciles, and fools?

What can I say, physicians are human too and let emotion conquer reason. Some surgeons operate drunk, doesn't make them right.

 

[raptor17GT]

The EU isn't wanting the AZ jab because it's part British and after Brexit they hate us even more than ever. The EU medical advisor (EMA) has said today that the AZ vaccine is safe to use, the W.H.O. has said the AZ vaccine is safe to use, the Italians have admitted they stopped using it for political reasons but hey who actually knows the truth these days. As for the French, well if that needs an explanation then we should be starting a new topic. (joking to my French colleagues and fellow European land dwellers)

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Tell ya what, for the sake of my fellow man and the generations yet unborn, we should all bite down hard on the Cyanide pill. Thank goodness at least THAT will stop the spread.

20 odd pages ago had the best suggestion yet in this topic and future proofs the world. Save the planet, rid it of those pesky humans. Obviously start with the young and fit as the old and infirm are dying on their own anyway.

 

[CJJon]

I like the term "The Jab"!

 

[K4fxd]

These same "experts" said coastal cities and some islands would be under water by 2012.

 

[K4fxd]

Just because I question authorities does not mean I think the Earth is flat.

 

[CJJon]

These same "experts" said coastal cities and some islands would be under water by 2012.

 

[CJJon]

Just because I question authorities does not mean I think the Earth is flat.

There is a difference between thinking critically and blind questioning. Don't mix up the two concepts.

 

[K4fxd]

You said "follow the science"

Scientists said the islands would be under water by 2012, or is it now 2112? 3112?

But we got to act NOW!!!

 

[CJJon]

You said "follow the science"

Scientists said the islands would be under water by 2012, or is it now 2112? 3112?

But we got to act NOW!!!

Yowsers! Hahaha!

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