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A complete coolant exchange is possible, with a coolant flush machine. You also need to remove the thermostat for best results. Any decent shop should have one of these, or similar.

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As a shop owner with a similar machine(the BG version), it isn't as effective at getting every bit of the old coolant as you would hope(or they advertise). It will significantly dilute, but just not great for a color change unless you run a significant amount of coolant through it.
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FYI, the product# for the 'yellow' premix is VC 13DL G. Ordinarily, since premix is about the same price as concentrate I'd buy the concentrate (distilled water is cheap). But, I haven't found 'yellow' as a concentrate.

Side note: I'd actually gotten the 'flush' back in October, but just recently noticed the overflow (degas?) bottle was below MAX, so bought the premix to top it up. The dealer said they don't fill to MAX because it'll overflow (FWIW).
My Ford dealer stocks both. I typically only buy the concentrate.
 
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Here was my procedure to completely switch colors. It was messy and time consuming, but it worked well.
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Since draining the rad and lower hose seems to get about a gallon, just refilling the rad would give about a 30% anti-freeze mix. This appears to offer freeze protection down to -6degF, maybe not enough for colder regions (I usually run something less than 50/50 in my cars, but we don't even get freezing, much less below very often).

I think the dealer would benefit from getting one of the coolant cycling machines mentioned, but R&R'ing the thermostat is probably a couple hour job so would be pretty expensive.

Side note: My dad was a factory rep for Ford back in the 60s and this dealership was in his territory. From what I've heard, this dealer was reputable 'back in the day,' but then was bought out and went downhill. It has since been bought out again and appears to be working to restore its reputation; they are responsive to any negative feedback.
 

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Since draining the rad and lower hose seems to get about a gallon, just refilling the rad would give about a 30% anti-freeze mix. This appears to offer freeze protection down to -6degF, maybe not enough for colder regions (I usually run something less than 50/50 in my cars, but we don't even get freezing, much less below very often).

I think the dealer would benefit from getting one of the coolant cycling machines mentioned, but R&R'ing the thermostat is probably a couple hour job so would be pretty expensive.

Side note: My dad was a factory rep for Ford back in the 60s and this dealership was in his territory. From what I've heard, this dealer was reputable 'back in the day,' but then was bought out and went downhill. It has since been bought out again and appears to be working to restore its reputation; they are responsive to any negative feedback.
See my last step

I actually got really close to 50/50 without the last step, but drained another half gallon and replaced with concentrate to get it there.

As I mentioned in another reply, those machines aren’t that great and they are messy and time consuming to use. The industry is moving towards a machine that sucks out about a half gallon and replaces it with a half gallon at a time. With the vehicle running at operating temperature, we will go through that procedure 2-3 times. Some cars pull more than others each time. It tends to be as effective as the linked flush machine, but much faster and much less mess. This is almost certainly what your dealership used. Neither are very effective for a color change as they just end up significantly diluting the old coolant. I own both machines and chose to use the method I described on my own car.

Also of note - light green and yellowish coolants tend not to alter the color of the original coolant until significantly diluted. Universal coolants are intentionally manufactured in that color for that reason.
 
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How difficult/how long does it take to remove the thermostat?
 

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As a shop owner with a similar machine(the BG version), it isn't as effective at getting every bit of the old coolant as you would hope(or they advertise). It will significantly dilute, but just not great for a color change unless you run a significant amount of coolant through it.
Yeah. Having used several of these machines- Drain the coolant from the radiator first. Then remove the T-stat and cut the center out of it. re-install the gutted T-stat. Hook up the machine. Fill the expansion tank up. Run the machine. This way the car/engine doesn't have to be at operating temp to open the T-stat. Once the process is done, replace the gutted T-stat with a new one and seal. Fill and burp the system.
 
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Good point @ORRadtech. Here's a great webpage explaining color differences and background behind them.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/article...to-know-about-ford-motorcraft-yellow-coolant/
Finally followed-up on this link; pretty much explains it all. Bear with me--I'm a chemistry nerd--but the 'transition' appears to be from silicate-based to phosphate-based corrosion protection (and heat transfer); I'm going to assume all of them are still glycol-based for actual freeze protection (ethylene for 'typical,' propylene for 'organic,' i.e. 'dog-safe'). 'OAT' seems like a reversion; IIRC the corrosion protection in older formulas was partly oxalic acid (found in rhubarb).

The gist is that owners of pre-2020 'Stangs should, when practical, transition from the orange to the yellow AF. In my case, I will, when I get a chance, drain the rad and add a gallon or so of pre-mix (I'll mix my own) so over a few years I'll have mostly yellow (the hassle, as usual, is disposing of the old fluid). I'm glad our cars don't have internal water pumps--they don't do they?--like some of the truck engines. Between that and spark plugs that break in two it seems some of the Ford truck engines are a PITA.
 
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Yeah. Having used several of these machines- Drain the coolant from the radiator first. Then remove the T-stat and cut the center out of it. re-install the gutted T-stat. Hook up the machine. Fill the expansion tank up. Run the machine. This way the car/engine doesn't have to be at operating temp to open the T-stat. Once the process is done, replace the gutted T-stat with a new one and seal. Fill and burp the system.
Good info, thanks. What does burping entail; would it be necessary If I just drained the rad and topped-up?
 

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Good info, thanks. What does burping entail; would it be necessary If I just drained the rad and topped-up?
Invest in a vacuum filler. There are reasonable priced options on Amazon. This will eliminate the need to burp and significantly reduce the chances of having a stubborn air pocket in the system.
 

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Good info, thanks. What does burping entail; would it be necessary If I just drained the rad and topped-up?
When you open the system like I described, its really best to pull the system into a vacuum for the final fill. There is a lot of places for air to get trapped. The best you can do without a vacuum tool is to drive the front of the car up on ramps. This helps the air work its way to the front of the engine and radiator.
 

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Hey experts, after reading all this so far, do you recommend the accomplished DIYer to do his own coolant change, or take it to a knowledgeable shop?
The worst part of doing this yourself is the mess, and disposal of the old coolant. Most parts stores do not offer coolant recycling/disposal. Another thing to note- don't get coolant on your serpentine belt. You can certainly do a drain and fill yourself, but a comprehensive flush and T-stat replacement may be something you want to pay a shop for.
 

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The worst part of doing this yourself is the mess, and disposal of the old coolant. Most parts stores do not offer coolant recycling/disposal. Another thing to note- don't get coolant on your serpentine belt. You can certainly do a drain and fill yourself, but a comprehensive flush and T-stat replacement may be something you want to pay a shop for.
Yeah, sounds like a 50/50 proposition. Probably comes down to bird-dogging a good shop and a reasonable price.
 

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Yeah, sounds like a 50/50 proposition. Probably comes down to bird-dogging a good shop and a reasonable price.
Yeah a comprehensive flush and new thermostat will be 3-400 bucks. A drain and fill shouldn't cost you more than $100 or so.
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