Challenger to Mustang

[terryz]

Mustang GT has a weight/hp ratio of 3750/435=8.62 lb/hp.
Dodge Challenger scat pack = 4250/485 = 8.76 lb/hp.

How come scat pack is faster? low-end torque?

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[Coyote Red]

Yes, torque & driver R/T plays a part as well at the tree.

 

[dgc333]

I've driven a couple Challengers with the 5.7 and IMO it's a real dog. I get what you're saying that the car is really heavy and that's part of the equation as well. It's supposed to be a muscle car and the 5.7 would be fine in a light car but it just isn't enough to give a performance feeling in the Challenger. You can mod the V6 in the Mustang to make more than 450 HP as well. However, the V6 in the Mustang has a good performance feel even in stock form. Superior to the 5.7 in every way.

I don't really hate, but I don't see a reason to pretend the 5.7 seems like a decent motor. I think it's junk, mostly because it has a ton of cubes but doesn't produce much power. With 5.7 liters it should be no problem to produce 480-500 HP in stock form. If Ford was putting a 200 HP 302 pushrod motor in the Mustang I would think that is junk as well. Either could potentially make a lot more power with modifications, but that's not the point. I think Chrysler sells the 5.7 just so people can have an inexpensive V8, but IMO just having a V8 is not enough when there's such poor performance to go with it.

Again I can't see how you can consider a mid 13 second 1/4 car a dog.

 

[Detector]

I have a early 2015, anyway I bought it in June of 2015, and the only issue I have had was a problem with 5th gear synchronizer. Other than that I'm happy as a lark.

The SRT will pull a stock 5.0 at every point in the powerband. Ask me how I know. .5 in the quarter mile is an eternity in drag racing.

My experience does not reflect this. My 2015 is completely stock and I've race a few SRT's and beat every one. It was close, but I beat.

My friend has a 1972 Vega GT wagon with a built 350. At our last track races last year he raced two SRT challengers with Scat Pack and beat them both. I never got lined up with either Challenger but I did race the GT and beat it.

Got videos.

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[klink]

So true...and let's face it...we shouldn't have any expectation that it would.

But to be fair, the GT handles like a dream, IMO. Damn great car.

 

[abmobil]

I haven't driven a Challenger, but I drove a 16 Ram Crew cab 4x4 with the 5.7 / 8 speed combo. That Combo felt great!! I can't imagine it being a dog in the lighter Challenger.

 

[K-Roll302]

I understand and respect the Challenger's market (large, powerful, and comfy cruiser). However, had the Challenger been more Mustang-sized (same/similar dimensions and weight) with the same engines and options it already has, it would've been an extremely tough choice between an R/T and my EB. The only Challenger in my price point would've been an R/T. Since going to either is a increase in size and weight from my previous car (Focus ST), I went with the lightest and nimblest of the bunch... Camaro aside. I will say that the Challenger has the better automatic of the two in spades.

I wonder if the next-gen Challenger will go big or shrink some.

 

[68fbjjz109]

I understand and respect the Challenger's market (large, powerful, and comfy cruiser). However, had the Challenger been more Mustang-sized (same/similar dimensions and weight) with the same engines and options it already has, it would've been an extremely tough choice between an R/T and my EB. The only Challenger in my price point would've been an R/T. Since going to either is a increase in size and weight from my previous car (Focus ST), I went with the lightest and nimblest of the bunch... Camaro aside. I will say that the Challenger has the better automatic of the two in spades.

I wonder if the next-gen Challenger will go big or shrink some.

It will likely be based on the Giorgio platform. They are pretty light (3350 lbs) but struggle with U.S. safety considerations, and are not packaged for a V8. So we can expect it to gains some weight. Still a 3600-3800 lbs 392 powered car would tip the scales in the segment.

 

[AlmostFamous]

My 2015 is completely stock and I've race a few SRT's and beat every one. It was close, but I beat.

My friend has a 1972 Vega GT wagon with a built 350. At our last track races last year he raced two SRT challengers with Scat Pack and beat them both. I never got lined up with either Challenger but I did race the GT and beat it.

Got videos.

You'd be amazed at the amount of poor drivers on the road. Couple weeks ago on the freeway, I did a couple roll races with a newer Porsche 911 turbo. To my amazement, he didn't pull me at all. I almost wanted to yell what gear are you in?

I understand and respect the Challenger's market (large, powerful, and comfy cruiser). However, had the Challenger been more Mustang-sized (same/similar dimensions and weight) with the same engines and options it already has, it would've been an extremely tough choice between an R/T and my EB.

You know the original Challenger was much larger than the Mustang, right? The Challenger of today is true to the original, all the way down to it's intermediate chassis roots.

 

[69mach1-395]

^ looks like the new one ate the old one ;)

 

[Pa-fatboy]

I sat in a Hellcat and hated the interior and ergonomics. Yeah, I'm sure it's a fast beast but I'm not driving balls to the wall 24/7. They're kinda cool, but a little too retro inside and out for me. I'd like to see them modernize the design. For the record, I also hated the retro design that Mustang went with back in 2004. It wasn't until the 197 and 550 that I really got drawn back in.

I see the Challengers everywhere, though. More than Camaros here in FL.

They should be fast. I have video of my passing one on the Pocono Raceway on a Track day this past summer. He might not have been driving all out, probably wasn't, but it was interesting. It took me two laps once I saw him ahead to catch up and pass. I highly recommend going to your nearest track to take part a couple times a year. Great time! Btw, their were a couple camaro's I had nothing for.

 

[Vinny_GT]

Recently traded in my 16 GT for a 16 Scat Pack and it was one of the best decisions Ive made.
The Mustang was a decent car, but I find the challenger to have a more comfortable ride and seats as well (and cooled seats that actually WORK!). Also, the 392/TR6060 combo is so much more fun in a daily driving environment than the Coyote/MT-82. No more worrying about getting locked out of 3rd gear or having to drop down 2 gears to pass anyone on the highway. Though I will say I liked Sync 3 better than uconnect.

 

[MikeD1]

Though I will say I liked Sync 3 better than uconnect.

That's one of the few things I liked better about the GT vs. my Cat. The Uconnect sucks butt IMO, the only thing I like better about it is that it doesn't suddenly give me a blank screen for days like Sync was doing. The media interface on my Infiniti's is hands down better than either Sync or Uconnect.

 

[AlmostFamous]

At equal sales price, I'd picked the Scat Pack over the GT all day long but the Scat Pack is substantially more than the GT in base trim.

 

[whatsup62]

Like it has been said...depends on what you want to do with the car and the $$ you want to spend.
I bought a early 2015 GT PP base with Recaro's. I was out the door at 33K. I have spent another 13k to get where I am at now.So at 46-47K, stock Hellcats are not an issue for me in straight a line contest, and the handeling and nimbelness of the Mustang is awesome.
The biggest thing with the manual cars are the clutches. Obviously Ford knew this since they are going to a dual disc set-up in the 2018's. I went through two stock ones before upgrading to a dual disc myself.
The 2018's look like a nice , lessons learned, upgrade. Will be curious to see the price points on them...for me I'm good...just pulley down

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