Challenger to Mustang

[AlmostFamous]

With that being said the SRT-8 is a much better package but I have beaten a few of those with my GT so they are really not that fast considering how much more they cost over an R/T or a GT mustang. I think if you are a performance minded guy the mustang is a better platform but if you just want the retro style and the v8 sound the challenger or charger is not a bad move.

It pains me to say this, but you beat the driver. The Scat Pack/SRT is about .5 seconds faster than the GT in the 1/4.

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[longbowsvt]

This may be true, my GT is not stock either so that helps some I'm sure. All of the races have been roll races from about 50-120. Usually the SRT will jump out initially due to the torque of that 6.4 but then I just walk them down. The 6.4 runs out of steam at high revs which is where the coyote comes to life. Not to mention aerodynamics and power to weight ratio etc. Stock for stock it's a drivers race but if the coyote has some bolt ons it should pull a 6.4 car.

 

[2015 Silver GT]

Stock for stock it's not a drivers race. I've owned both and my Scat is much faster than my GT was.

 

[AlmostFamous]

This may be true, my GT is not stock either so that helps some I'm sure. All of the races have been roll races from about 50-120. Usually the SRT will jump out initially due to the torque of that 6.4 but then I just walk them down. The 6.4 runs out of steam at high revs which is where the coyote comes to life. Not to mention aerodynamics and power to weight ratio etc. Stock for stock it's a drivers race but if the coyote has some bolt ons it should pull a 6.4 car.

I've had a Scat Pack as a rental and it's faster throughout the powerband, especially in the lower RPM's. The 5.7L runs out of steam at high revs, but the 6.4L will pull hard all the way through 5th gear. It's a faster car unfortunately.

 

[GGordon]

Hi about 8 months ago I defected from Mustang to a Challenger.
Presently closing a deal to get a 2015 GT Premium Performance Package.
Looking forward to be back in a new Mustang.

Are there members here that have regrets of a first year model?
This car was built mid January of 2015. There have not been any warranty issues to date and car has 2800 miles.

I have owned 4 2015 Mustangs. The only ones that gave me issues were those built in the 2014 calendar year (the very early ones). Nothing mechanical on any of them, but my 50th Anniversary car has had the A/C replaced (the entire system... compressor, evaporator, all the ducting... long story). It also had all 4 wheels' brake system replaced (rotors, calipers, pads, lines). Hood and trunk was misaligned, chipped some paint. Ford, without question, replaced the hood and trunk and repainted the car.

I have one other early production car (the one in my avatar pic here) and it too had to have the front rotors replaced, trunk realigned, and the infotainment head unit replaced (when you pushed the A/C Auto button, it turned on the defroster and ultimately shorted out completely).

The early S550s had some quality issues in production. But the builds starting after the 2015 New Year seem to be much more reliable. Just make sure to check for any brake squealing coming from the front end when you come to a stop and ensure all of the electrical components work. As I said, I haven't had any engine or drivetrain problems with any of them... but brakes, body panel alignment, and electrical issues surrounding the infotainment system have needed warranty work.

 

[Jlab541]

Thanks. I took delivery last Friday and really like it. Night and day compared to the 5.7 Challenger.

 

[klink]

This may be true, my GT is not stock either so that helps some I'm sure. All of the races have been roll races from about 50-120. Usually the SRT will jump out initially due to the torque of that 6.4 but then I just walk them down. The 6.4 runs out of steam at high revs which is where the coyote comes to life. Not to mention aerodynamics and power to weight ratio etc. Stock for stock it's a drivers race but if the coyote has some bolt ons it should pull a 6.4 car.

It is not a driver's race stock for stock. That is simply not true. The SRT will pull a stock 5.0 at every point in the powerband. Ask me how I know. .5 in the quarter mile is an eternity in drag racing.

I really like the 5.0, and have much respect for it. But it is not a match for the SRT Challenger in terms of brute acceleration.

 

[Five Oh Brian]

This may be true, my GT is not stock either so that helps some I'm sure. All of the races have been roll races from about 50-120. Usually the SRT will jump out initially due to the torque of that 6.4 but then I just walk them down. The 6.4 runs out of steam at high revs which is where the coyote comes to life. Not to mention aerodynamics and power to weight ratio etc. Stock for stock it's a drivers race but if the coyote has some bolt ons it should pull a 6.4 car.

I own both and have no bias either way. Stock for stock, the 6.4L Challenger is quicker than a Coyote.

The 6.4L's redline is lower than the Coyote, but it's making great power all the way to its shift points, so on upshifts the low rpm torque keeps it going strong in the powerband.

My Mustang is certainly not stock, while my Scat Pack is 100% stock, so my 5.0L is the better performer currently. But again, stock vs stock the 6.4L is the quicker car. And, you can mod either with great results.

 

[CCCP1999]

I have owned 4 2015 Mustangs. The only ones that gave me issues were those built in the 2014 calendar year (the very early ones). Nothing mechanical on any of them, but my 50th Anniversary car has had the A/C replaced (the entire system... compressor, evaporator, all the ducting... long story). It also had all 4 wheels' brake system replaced (rotors, calipers, pads, lines). Hood and trunk was misaligned, chipped some paint. Ford, without question, replaced the hood and trunk and repainted the car.

I have one other early production car (the one in my avatar pic here) and it too had to have the front rotors replaced, trunk realigned, and the infotainment head unit replaced (when you pushed the A/C Auto button, it turned on the defroster and ultimately shorted out completely).

The early S550s had some quality issues in production. But the builds starting after the 2015 New Year seem to be much more reliable. Just make sure to check for any brake squealing coming from the front end when you come to a stop and ensure all of the electrical components work. As I said, I haven't had any engine or drivetrain problems with any of them... but brakes, body panel alignment, and electrical issues surrounding the infotainment system have needed warranty work.

I just had the whole A/C replaced on my 2015 GT. Dealer said many needed to be replaced on the 15's/

 

[Hack]

How can you call an engine that makes 370-390HP and propels a 4000+ car into the mid 13's a POS? It is also easy to mod them into the 450HP range and they are the basis of a lot of 1000+ HP builds.

Haters are gonna hate ...... ;)

I've driven a couple Challengers with the 5.7 and IMO it's a real dog. I get what you're saying that the car is really heavy and that's part of the equation as well. It's supposed to be a muscle car and the 5.7 would be fine in a light car but it just isn't enough to give a performance feeling in the Challenger. You can mod the V6 in the Mustang to make more than 450 HP as well. However, the V6 in the Mustang has a good performance feel even in stock form. Superior to the 5.7 in every way.

I don't really hate, but I don't see a reason to pretend the 5.7 seems like a decent motor. I think it's junk, mostly because it has a ton of cubes but doesn't produce much power. With 5.7 liters it should be no problem to produce 480-500 HP in stock form. If Ford was putting a 200 HP 302 pushrod motor in the Mustang I would think that is junk as well. Either could potentially make a lot more power with modifications, but that's not the point. I think Chrysler sells the 5.7 just so people can have an inexpensive V8, but IMO just having a V8 is not enough when there's such poor performance to go with it.

 

[5pointOh]

I've driven a couple Challengers with the 5.7 and IMO it's a real dog. I get what you're saying that the car is really heavy and that's part of the equation as well. It's supposed to be a muscle car and the 5.7 would be fine in a light car but it just isn't enough to give a performance feeling in the Challenger. You can mod the V6 in the Mustang to make more than 450 HP as well. However, the V6 in the Mustang has a good performance feel even in stock form. Superior to the 5.7 in every way.

I don't really hate, but I don't see a reason to pretend the 5.7 seems like a decent motor. I think it's junk, mostly because it has a ton of cubes but doesn't produce much power. With 5.7 liters it should be no problem to produce 480-500 HP in stock form. If Ford was putting a 200 HP 302 pushrod motor in the Mustang I would think that is junk as well. Either could potentially make a lot more power with modifications, but that's not the point. I think Chrysler sells the 5.7 just so people can have an inexpensive V8, but IMO just having a V8 is not enough when there's such poor performance to go with it.

Stock the 5.7 is lacking but they take mods very well and having been out essentially unchanged since 2006 in the LX cars means there is plenty of aftermarket support, granted nothing like the Mustang but still plenty of power to be made out of that engine without having to spring for the 6.4.

 

[1320']

I don't really hate, but I don't see a reason to pretend the 5.7 seems like a decent motor. I think it's junk, mostly because it has a ton of cubes but doesn't produce much power. With 5.7 liters it should be no problem to produce 480-500 HP in stock form. If Ford was putting a 200 HP 302 pushrod motor in the Mustang I would think that is junk as well. Either could potentially make a lot more power with modifications, but that's not the point. I think Chrysler sells the 5.7 just so people can have an inexpensive V8, but IMO just having a V8 is not enough when there's such poor performance to go with it.

So you think 480 HP is realistic on a 5.7 pushrod motor that still gets about 22/23 combined MPG?

The 5.7 Hemi produces 375 HP at 5,200 RPM ...how much power is a Coyote making there? Not 375 HP I assure you.

Is it a really hot performance motor stock? No..neither was the 318/360/383 in the original Challenger.

 

[1320']

Stock the 5.7 is lacking but they take mods very well and having been out essentially unchanged since 2006 in the LX cars means there is plenty of aftermarket support, granted nothing like the Mustang but still plenty of power to be made out of that engine without having to spring for the 6.4.

The 5.7 picked up VVT and new heads in 2009..that was a pretty big change.

And yes..it doesn't take any work, at all, to get a 5.7 to 400 HP (crank)..literally just a tune. Intake/Tune gets you about 415 crank HP.

 

[Dudie7]

Honestly, I like the Challenger a lot. For a while I thought about picking up a used one as a DD. Still might...

 

[Dudie7]

It is not a driver's race stock for stock. That is simply not true. The SRT will pull a stock 5.0 at every point in the powerband. Ask me how I know. .5 in the quarter mile is an eternity in drag racing.

I really like the 5.0, and have much respect for it. But it is not a match for the SRT Challenger in terms of brute acceleration.

So true...and let's face it...we shouldn't have any expectation that it would.

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