BorgWarner Turbo kit doubts

[Rcampos04]

Hello forum,

hope you are doing great, currently running on my EB an nGauge tune and iridium spark plugs.

Want now to hit better numbers (500.. 650 750 if possible depending on the work i have to do with the engine)

Looking to achieve this with: http://www.americanmuscle.com/cpe-atmosphere-borg-warner-turbo-1517eco.html

Is going with this turbo the best path for 500? (650 and 750 i guess its the only way)

Kinda new on this, need to know whats the best path to go for 500 or 750.. is there a big gap between this numbers with the turbo? between these numbers, what internals or mods(intercooler etc) i need to do for the engine to withstand this power?

Thanks a lot in advance

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[csmaan12]

Anything over 400WTQ you'll need to overhaul the internals with forged rods/pistons. To reach 500HP, you'll need to upgrade the fuel system, probably can get away with meth injection and E85. Of course you'll need a bigger intercooler, downpipe, bigger intake and head studs.

If you want to get to 750HP, you'll probably need to spend a good amount of cash, because at that point further upgrades to fueling may be necessary, upgrades to the camshafts (if any available), valve train upgrades like springs/retainers, upgrades to the intake manifold if any are available.

Clutch will need to be upgraded as well, and probably the driveshaft and rear axles. Going that high will add a lot of stuff besides the engine that need to be upgraded.

There's a boat load of stuff you can do but simply bolting on a bigger turbo and tuning is a recipe for creating a window on the side of the block. Reaching for 750HP would likely cost as much as the car if not more to achieve.

 

[Rcampos04]

I think I can be happy with 500hp and thats it.

Thinking or vortech intercooler, mishimoto downpipe, airraid intake.. not sure about the head studs but if Im aiming for 500hp probably dont need a bigger turbo

 

[Juben]

To hit 500 reliably, you'll need a built block, big turbo, e85/race gas, and other bolt-ons. The Vargas Stage 2 would get you to 600 whp and have almost stock like spool. Plus, it's much cheaper at around $2k versus $4k+. I love BW turbos, but for a 500 goal, I'd go with the Vargas turbo. I have one and I'm completely happy with it.

 

[Glenn G]

you can get just over 400 (410 IIRC) whp on E30 on the stock fuel system, You cannot run E85 stock, there just isn't enough headroom in the DI system. On pump 93 No matter what turbo you run you will be octane limited that point anyways.
If you have race gas available ($$$) you can get in the mid 400s on the stock fuel system.

You will need aux fuel and preferably a built engine to go any higher.

if you have easy access to E85, 5-600 at the wheels are easily achievable.
all in all you need to budget about $10k

Cobb AP $500
FMIC $500-600
Intake tube for stock airbox $152
Custom Tune $300
DP and Exhaust ~$600 -$1200
This puts you at about 360 to the wheels. and the point when things start getting expensive and where I am currently at.

Aux fuel $1550 for true plug and play
Aux Fuel tuning $175

Vargas Stage 2 or Stage 2+$2000-$2300
At this point you are at or beyond what is generally agreed to be the 'safe' limits of the bottom end. some cars were running around fine at 500whp for a while but if I was a tuner, I wouldn't push it past 420ish. 500 is a grenade with the pin out just waiting for you to release the spoon.

Built engine $5600-$7000
mid to high 500s on stock cams 600 limit on the VS2+ on upgraded cams.

I am a happy tune+ customer so cannot comment on anyone else but I believe you cant go wrong with any of the vendors on this site.
The Setup I detailed above can all be (and will be, by me)bought on the Tune+ website.
Like I said about $10k for a 600whp car, Seeing as I paid $24k for my EB, $34k for a NEW car that can whoop up on GTRs is not bad at all.

 

[Rcampos04]

you can get just over 400 (410 IIRC) whp on E30 on the stock fuel system, You cannot run E85 stock, there just isn't enough headroom in the DI system. On pump 93 No matter what turbo you run you will be octane limited that point anyways.
If you have race gas available ($$$) you can get in the mid 400s on the stock fuel system.

You will need aux fuel and preferably a built engine to go any higher.

if you have easy access to E85, 5-600 at the wheels are easily achievable.
all in all you need to budget about $10k

Cobb AP $500
FMIC $500-600
Intake tube for stock airbox $152
Custom Tune $300
DP and Exhaust ~$600 -$1200
This puts you at about 360 to the wheels. and the point when things start getting expensive and where I am currently at.

Aux fuel $1550 for true plug and play
Aux Fuel tuning $175

Vargas Stage 2 or Stage 2+$2000-$2300
At this point you are at or beyond what is generally agreed to be the 'safe' limits of the bottom end. some cars were running around fine at 500whp for a while but if I was a tuner, I wouldn't push it past 420ish. 500 is a grenade with the pin out just waiting for you to release the spoon.

Built engine $5600-$7000
mid to high 500s on stock cams 600 limit on the VS2+ on upgraded cams.

I am a happy tune+ customer so cannot comment on anyone else but I believe you cant go wrong with any of the vendors on this site.
The Setup I detailed above can all be (and will be, by me)bought on the Tune+ website.
Like I said about $10k for a 600whp car, Seeing as I paid $24k for my EB, $34k for a NEW car that can whoop up on GTRs is not bad at all.

I see, well I will probably stick to the safe parameters since this is my daily and here in Costa Rica the EB is around 48k$. Removing the e85 and vp, since the best I can get here is 91 oct.

With the mods you listed, should probably be looking for 400ish? Do you think that since Im not going AF turbo, I can anyways forge rods and pistons and tune it for more psi with the stock turbo?

Thank you very the extremely detailed explanation

 

[Glenn G]

I see, well I will probably stick to the safe parameters since this is my daily and here in Costa Rica the EB is around 48k$. Removing the e85 and vp, since the best I can get here is 91 oct.

With the mods you listed, should probably be looking for 400ish? Do you think that since Im not going AF turbo, I can anyways forge rods and pistons and tune it for more psi with the stock turbo?

Thank you very the extremely detailed explanation

Sorry dude no real way to hit 400 whp on 91 octane. You might get close but one bad tank of gas (and lots of places that only have 91 have bad gas quality) and your motor is toast.
Talk to Adam or the tuner of your choice about it. I think full bolt ons good 91 tune and stock turbo is as far as you want to go. Should be good for over 300 whp

 

[Dirty-EB-Chicago]

you can get just over 400 (410 IIRC) whp on E30 on the stock fuel system, You cannot run E85 stock, there just isn't enough headroom in the DI system. On pump 93 No matter what turbo you run you will be octane limited that point anyways.
If you have race gas available ($$$) you can get in the mid 400s on the stock fuel system.

You will need aux fuel and preferably a built engine to go any higher.

if you have easy access to E85, 5-600 at the wheels are easily achievable.
all in all you need to budget about $10k

Cobb AP $500
FMIC $500-600
Intake tube for stock airbox $152
Custom Tune $300
DP and Exhaust ~$600 -$1200
This puts you at about 360 to the wheels. and the point when things start getting expensive and where I am currently at.

Aux fuel $1550 for true plug and play
Aux Fuel tuning $175

Vargas Stage 2 or Stage 2+$2000-$2300
At this point you are at or beyond what is generally agreed to be the 'safe' limits of the bottom end. some cars were running around fine at 500whp for a while but if I was a tuner, I wouldn't push it past 420ish. 500 is a grenade with the pin out just waiting for you to release the spoon.

Built engine $5600-$7000
mid to high 500s on stock cams 600 limit on the VS2+ on upgraded cams.

I am a happy tune+ customer so cannot comment on anyone else but I believe you cant go wrong with any of the vendors on this site.
The Setup I detailed above can all be (and will be, by me)bought on the Tune+ website.
Like I said about $10k for a 600whp car, Seeing as I paid $24k for my EB, $34k for a NEW car that can whoop up on GTRs is not bad at all.

Always a good write up from Glenn. Nothing good to add besides noting the only downside is the required know how and risk of running a system like this. gotta pay to play but you only live once and just think of the bragging rights lol

 

[Memphis-EcoStang]

My two cents for what its worth, don't forget to replace the halfshafts, driveshaft and a driveshaft safety loop if those are your power goals.

 

[jcart953]

My two cents for what its worth, don't forget to replace the halfshafts, driveshaft and a driveshaft safety loop if those are your power goals.

What are the stock ones rated to?

 

[ForYourOwnGood]

On this same topic, what is the best way to push for more power if E30/E85 aren't available? Meth? Aux port injection? In about a year when my warranty runs out I'm going to want to go with a built motor and bigger turbo, looking for at least 450 wheel.

 

[Bull Run]

On this same topic, what is the best way to push for more power if E30/E85 aren't available? Meth? Aux port injection? In about a year when my warranty runs out I'm going to want to go with a built motor and bigger turbo, looking for at least 450 wheel.

I went the WMI route as E85 is no longer sold in AZ and nearest E54 station is about 20 mile away. I haven't dynoed it yet, but saw gains of little over 30 ft/lb on LTT Torque reading. I'll do a detailed write up of it later this week.

 

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Hello forum,

hope you are doing great, currently running on my EB an nGauge tune and iridium spark plugs.

Want now to hit better numbers (500.. 650 750 if possible depending on the work i have to do with the engine)

Looking to achieve this with: http://www.americanmuscle.com/cpe-atmosphere-borg-warner-turbo-1517eco.html

Is going with this turbo the best path for 500? (650 and 750 i guess its the only way)

Kinda new on this, need to know whats the best path to go for 500 or 750.. is there a big gap between this numbers with the turbo? between these numbers, what internals or mods(intercooler etc) i need to do for the engine to withstand this power?

Thanks a lot in advance

Hey,

This is our turbo kit, and I am happy to answer any questions on it.

Those HP ratings are the crank HP that the turbo is rated to. If your shooting for 500whp the 650whp (7670) is the way to go. As many others have said, a built bottom end would be necessary for that power goal (proper fuel as well). For a quite potent car and stock like spool, the 7064 is a great option as it can be utilized without needing to build the engine, and can still be a good contender with a built motor and proper fueling.

This is the turbo kit UPR products uses in their 9.46 1/4 mile run.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions. Here to help!

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