August 2017 Mustang Sales

[EcoVert]

Again I disagree. Its just a case of market saturation. There is only so many S550 Mustang buyers out there. And the majority of Buyers have already bought theirs. I don't understand where you new members are getting people are offended? Most of us have been offering the same opinion about sales for the entire 2017 sale year. Which as a whole. Has been down compaired to 15-16. Do you honestly think the 2017 month of January Mustang sales were down do to the upcoming 18 models? That at the time. All we knew about. Was a front end change.

Couldn't have said it better myself. No one I know, my friends or anyone else who has a 15- 17 Mustang is offended by the 18 Mustang hell we're happy to se it coming

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[Ecoboosted]

Couldn't have said it better myself. No one I know, my friends or anyone else who has a 15- 17 Mustang is offended by the 18 Mustang hell we're happy to se it coming

Yes glad to see the 18's coming with the gen 3 Coyote. Hope the new technology is proven with not too many bugs or hiccups. I like my 15' enough to keep for a few more years at least. Nice to be payment free for a couple of years. Looking forward to the S650 and see what tech the new platform will bring.

 

[Copenhagen23]

Just went from a 2011 V6 to a 2017 GT Premium with PP and touch screen nav for $38k before trade in and 0% interest for 72 months. The car has everything I want EXCEPT active exhaust. If I wanted the same specs on a 2018 + active exhaust I was looking at $45k and most likely wouldn't have 0% financing. An extra $150 a month in car payments wouldn't break the bank, but that is my car insurance premium right there.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Couldn't have said it better myself. No one I know, my friends or anyone else who has a 15- 17 Mustang is offended by the 18 Mustang hell we're happy to se it coming

Yep I can't wait to see the 18 hit the market. Finally put the whole stock vs stock Camaro battle to bed. Until GM refreshes the Camaro next year. And we're playing catch up again.:frusty:

 

[Braski]

Couldn't have said it better myself. No one I know, my friends or anyone else who has a 15- 17 Mustang is offended by the 18 Mustang hell we're happy to se it coming

Yup, I can't wait to see them new headlights in my rear view!:lol::lol::lol:

 

[Brandon1017]

The problem with this thread is that 15-17 owners took offense right off the bat - but as a current sales thread, it's not about existing owners. The argument was simply stating that the lower sales show that given the choice today, the majority of those in the market for a Mustang are "appearing" to choose to wait for the 18 rather than buy a 17, even if the 17 will sell at a lower cost.

Comments like this are laughable at best! When you go back and look at Mustang sales, they have been dropping steadily! You're automatically jumping to the conclusion that sales are dropping because the 2018 is coming out, but what you fail to realize is that there are only a certain amount of potential consumers in the market to buy a mustang. As the years go on, more and more potential consumers become actual consumers (ie, purchasing a mustang) that there are no longer as many potential consumer out there in the market to purchase a mustang. If mustang sales were dropping at a steady rate of lets say 25-30% before the 2018 was revealed and then the next month they dropped 50%, then maybe you would have an argument, but that hasn't happened.

 

[Brandon1017]

The jelly is strong with this thread. It's really funny how easily 2015-2017 owners get triggered. Stop bashing other people's choices to rationalize your Decisions.

You've got the iPhone 7 and just because the iPhone 7s came out with newer features doesn't mean your iPhone does its job any worse. Someone in the market for a new phone is going to compare the features and price between the two and make a decision that's best for them. 7 owners won't see much to upgrade to on the S cycle, but someone with an iPhone 5 (pre 2015 mustang) is going to be dropping because they get the best of the 2015-2017 in the 2018.

Maybe, just maybe,the 2018 isn't meant for people who bought a 2017 six months ago. 2017 owners calling 2018 buyers suckers for being price gouged by Ford is laughable.

I get what you're saying, but iPhone 7 and 7s are slated to have the same exact design which makes the analogy flawed a little. You're negating the fact that a significant amount of people do not like the design change with the front of the 2018 and will not buy it because of that. If I have an iphone 7 then a redesigned iphone 8 comes out that has minor changes and a design change that I don't necessarily like, then it doesn't make me a hater because I don't want to spend more money on something that I don't like, even if it has slightly better features.

I think people on here misconstrue things on this forum and accuse others of being jealous for no reason. What you have to keep in mind is that people that own a 2015-2017 and have or haven't spent a lot of money modifying them, have already proven that they are financially able to afford one vs. a lot of people that call everyone haters and they haven't even ordered a 2018 yet or proven that they are financially able/ready to buy one.

I can easily afford a 2018 right now while keeping my 2016 or selling it if I wanted to, but i'm not getting one. Not because i'm a hater, not because i'm jealous, not because I can't afford it, but because I simply don't like the new front end design. It literally is as simple as that. :cheers:

 

[Bravo]

Comments like this are laughable at best! When you go back and look at Mustang sales, they have been dropping steadily! You're automatically jumping to the conclusion that sales are dropping because the 2018 is coming out, but what you fail to realize is that there are only a certain amount of potential consumers in the market to buy a mustang. As the years go on, more and more potential consumers become actual consumers (ie, purchasing a mustang) that there are no longer as many potential consumer out there in the market to purchase a mustang. If mustang sales were dropping at a steady rate of lets say 25-30% before the 2018 was revealed and then the next month they dropped 50%, then maybe you would have an argument, but that hasn't happened.

I get what you're saying (I even made that same argument within this thread stating how I looked back a full year to find consistent sales drops per month) - but it goes way beyond a market saturation. In fact, it's likely based on the existing model coming to an end combined with many making long term plans for a S550.5 or S650, which is the argument being made all along.

Think about it - if it was purely based on market saturation, the current sales would be nearly 0 - you can't have a 35% decrease in sales monthly forever and have a sustainable product.

The argument here is that sales numbers being down in January 2017 are completely unrelated to the refresh coming out next month, when in fact they are completely related. While some people make impulse buys (ok, a lot), there are also a huge percentage of people (especially enthusiasts like this community) that plan purchases way in advance.

My suspicion is that November sales (or whenever the first full month of new refreshes hitting the lot are) will see a huge spike, with each month after being a small drop (5-10% ish), perhaps a bump back up in the spring months, and then the constant 15-35% drop each month their after until the 650.

Time will tell.

 

[ArabianOak]

i'm sure this has been discussed here, but i'm hearing that the 2018 GT WILL NOT be good for any type of boosted set up...can anyone chime in why that is? higher compression, DI??

 

[ArabianOak]

No shapes being bent here, but definitely a bunch of people emotionally judging the 2018 without considering the obvious facts. When you argue based on emotion your point usually suffers.

2017 GT Premium- $43,565

-435 HP
-6 speed Auto
-401A w/ premium trim and shaker
-Black Accent Package
-reverse sensing system
-voice activated NAV
-1 year old
-Older design

- $2000 off w/ rebates
- $5000 off w/ negotiations but you know I'm not finding this config in a 2017 ANYWHERE at this point so I will have to settle for no black accent at the very least.

35-37k out the door.



2018 GT Premium- $45,680

-460 HP
-10 speed auto
-401A w/premium trim and shaker
-Black Accent Package
-Reverse sensing system
-Digital Dash
-Active Exhaust
-heated steering wheel
-Voice activated NAV
-newer design
-Brand new car never test driven on lots
-Better Gas mileage

- $2500 off for X-Plan
- $1250-$2000 in additonal X plan rebates

$41000-$41750 out the door



$6k price difference: minus cost of Active Exhaust and increase in base price due to HP increase/ engine enhancements

$3k price difference from 2017-2018:shrug:

So save $3k-$6k for a vehicle that's not built the way I want, Doesn't have active Exhaust, digital dash, redesign, 10 speed, is a year old, lower MPG and has been test driven by god knows who.

Didn't make a lot a sense for me personally to go with the 2017.

well, some of us, myself included tossed on a VMP stage 2 kit with that "extra" money. Anyone who has driven a boosted coyote will tell you that it's hard to read a digital dash when you got that kind of power and my hands are pretty sweaty whenever I floor the car and get into boost, so no need for a heated steering wheel...haha. must be the adrenaline rush!

oh and 0-60 in 3.9 is great but I prefer it in the mid to high 2's on my boosted setup.

 

[Bravo]

i'm sure this has been discussed here, but i'm hearing that the 2018 GT WILL NOT be good for any type of boosted set up...can anyone chime in why that is? higher compression, DI??

I suspect that this is a rumor - Ford has been boosting DI engines for a while now. The Focus RS and GT are both heavily boosted.

There was a time when DI engines might have been limited by the strength of the cylinder wall port, but I think those days have long past.

 

[FastCarFanBoy]

the A10 will be worth $6k alone vs the A6 if Ford has the TCU programming even close to what GM has.

 

[Mustangchief]

Yea my dealers told me to kick rocks when I asked about applying x plan incentives, they said that only applies to 2017's. I don't think they made that up because I had a bunch of dealers tell me the same thing. Overall I negotiated $3500 off from MSRP before any applicable rebates that I may or may not get. I also wish I could get a car tax free, that would have saved me almost $4,000.

X-Plan only applies to cars on the lot, not orders. A kind dealer (if he knows you are a serious buyer) will order one to your liking. Very few do this, unless you are buddy buddy with the sales Manager or GM.

 

[Mustangchief]

Again I disagree. Its just a case of market saturation. There is only so many S550 Mustang buyers out there. And the majority of Buyers have already bought theirs. I don't understand where you new members are getting people are offended? Most of us have been offering the same opinion about sales for the entire 2017 sale year. Which as a whole. Has been down compaired to 15-16. Do you honestly think the 2017 month of January Mustang sales were down do to the upcoming 18 models? That at the time. All we knew about. Was a front end change.

I agree with your opinion the market is saturated, but car buying is cyclical. The 30-36 month leases from 2015 will mature this cycle, with the updates there should be a 15% or better boost, if the lessee's were happy. A lot will depend on the economy also.

 

[Mustangchief]

Could you share what these are/where you found them? I am still working with my overseas dealer for US delivery, and they are saying "No" to anything other than standard X Plan. I did see something one time that said something about "stateside only" but i can't remember details. I do get the car tax free, though, so there's that.

Are you sure about Tax Free? 49 states will collect the Tax of their state when you register. Only one state does not collect tax from MCS sales. Even MCS has some dishonest sales people. Make sure you fact check what they say..."been there, done that"

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