August 2017 Mustang Sales

[millhouse]

That's funny - I'd consider it all to be significant improvements except for Magneride - obviously what one considers to be an improvement is extremely opinionated

The only problem that I have with direct inject motors is the not so good side-effect of intake valve carbon buildup - something I'm dealing with with my current German engineered DI engine. The Port/DI hybrid that Ford has developed here gives the performance benefits of DI, with the ability to clean the valves like a port engine.

FYI - DI tech is not new for Ford - the 2.3L Ecoboost is already direct-inject only.

To the average person, everything listed is insignificant. Without major styling or performance upgrades, no-one cares. Hell, they could throw a pushrod engine back in and most wouldn't notice.

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[Blue Horse]

I'm curious what the 2018 sales are going to be like at this time next year.

Get out a big RED pen, and draw a downward line to the BOTTOM of the paper.:amen:

 

[Blue Horse]

whhooaaa 25 ponies that a will bet on issues with direct port injection. not bashing the 18 but id take my 16 over a new 18 every day of the week just in looks

Now you know why the S197 guys thank God everyday for what they have.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

To the average person, everything listed is insignificant. Without major styling or performance upgrades, no-one cares. Hell, they could throw a pushrod engine back in and most wouldn't notice.

Agreed. For me the biggest upgrade is the 10 speed automatic from a performance stand point. But it's also one of the cheaper upgrades compared to the current car. You could throw an old 4.6 in these cars and most people would just think i's an ecoboost with a better exhaust. It seams like half this forum doesn't even bother to look under the hood judging by some of the mechanical threads that get started on this forum.:headbonk:

 

[Bravo]

To the average person, everything listed is insignificant. Without major styling or performance upgrades, no-one cares. Hell, they could throw a pushrod engine back in and most wouldn't notice.

I agree that the average person wouldn't notice advances in engine tech, and probably wouldn't even notice difference in the new twin disc clutch / dual mass flywheel manual. What they "average person" would absolutely notice is the refreshed design, digital dash, and interior comforts (like a heated wheel).


The pure enthusiast might say, "I can make the 2017 work", but the vast majority of public (normal drivers and gear heads alike) are going to hold out for the 2018 or S650, hence the drop in August sales.

 

[millhouse]

I agree that the average person wouldn't notice advances in engine tech, and probably wouldn't even notice difference in the new twin disc clutch / dual mass flywheel manual. What they "average person" would absolutely notice is the refreshed design, digital dash, and interior comforts (like a heated wheel).


The pure enthusiast might say, "I can make the 2017 work", but the vast majority of public (normal drivers and gear heads alike) are going to hold out for the 2018 or S650, hence the drop in August sales.

I'm sorry, you're dead wrong on that one. The average consumer isn't going to notice the cosmetic changes. It's not changing enough for most to notice.

And....most cars on the lots are not likely going to be equipped with the digital dash. Even if they test drive one, once they find out the up charges it's not going to convince them to buy it. Keep in mind, most people purchased the 15-17 with the tiny standard stereo screen.

Heated steering wheel? I'd venture to say that Ford didn't lose a single sale for the lack of heated steering wheel on the S550. People aren't going to care. It's a perk, but I'm afraid that's it.

As for sales, you'll see enthusiasts and those on the fence being the first buyers. After that, sales are going to drop like a rock

 

[LowcountryMustang]

The jelly is strong with this thread. It's really funny how easily 2015-2017 owners get triggered. Stop bashing other people's choices to rationalize your Decisions.

You've got the iPhone 7 and just because the iPhone 7s came out with newer features doesn't mean your iPhone does its job any worse. Someone in the market for a new phone is going to compare the features and price between the two and make a decision that's best for them. 7 owners won't see much to upgrade to on the S cycle, but someone with an iPhone 5 (pre 2015 mustang) is going to be dropping because they get the best of the 2015-2017 in the 2018.

Maybe, just maybe,the 2018 isn't meant for people who bought a 2017 six months ago. 2017 owners calling 2018 buyers suckers for being price gouged by Ford is laughable.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

I'm sorry, you're dead wrong on that one. The average consumer isn't going to notice the cosmetic changes. It's not changing enough for most to notice.

And....most cars on the lots are not likely going to be equipped with the digital dash. Even if they test drive one, once they find out the up charges it's not going to convince them to buy it. Keep in mind, most people purchased the 15-17 with the tiny standard stereo screen.

Heated steering wheel? I'd venture to say that Ford didn't lose a single sale for the lack of heated steering wheel on the S550. People aren't going to care. It's a perk, but I'm afraid that's it.

As for sales, you'll see enthusiasts and those on the fence being the first buyers. After that, sales are going to drop like a rock

I have a feeling it's going to be exactly the same as 6th gen Camaro sales. (Only better because it's a Mustang!:first The gotta have the newest, shinyist, bestest people will run out and pay what ever the dealer is charging to be the first on the block to own the latest and greatest GT. After that sales will flatten. The next big jump will be the next gen.

 

[Bravo]

I'm sorry, you're dead wrong on that one.

Ok

 

[CompOface]

The jelly is strong with this thread. It's really funny how easily 2015-2017 owners get triggered. Stop bashing other people's choices to rationalize your Decisions.

You've got the iPhone 7 and just because the iPhone 7s came out with newer features doesn't mean your iPhone does its job any worse. Someone in the market for a new phone is going to compare the features and price between the two and make a decision that's best for them. 7 owners won't see much to upgrade to on the S cycle, but someone with an iPhone 5 (pre 2015 mustang) is going to be dropping because they get the best of the 2015-2017 in the 2018.

Maybe, just maybe,the 2018 isn't meant for people who bought a 2017 six months ago. 2017 owners calling 2018 buyers suckers for being price gouged by Ford is laughable.

I don't see any bashing going on here at all... sounds like the '18 fans are just as sensitive as you think the '15-'17 guys are. :shrug:


The point most are trying to make is the price doesn't justify the change for a '15-'17 owner as the changes just aren't that significant. The only significant enough change to switch is the 10 speed auto if you are a drag guy. Many would say if you are building a drag car go back to the '13 and '14s anyways. Look at the pricing of packages in '15 - '17 compared to the '18. If you don't call that price gouging you have enough money to burn and could care less anyways.

At the end of the day, it is your money, your car, your decision. Why get bent out of shape if others don't agree with you? We all have different reasons and goals for our cars, mine probably don't align with yours and vice versa.

 

[Bravo]

We can argue price justification all we want, but the sales numbers state the facts: When given the option between a current model and a soon to be released refresh, buyers overwhelmingly select the refresh. A few months after the 2018 has been released, sales numbers will settle back down to normal values.

 

[CompOface]

We can argue price justification all we want, but the sales numbers state the facts: When given the option between a current model and a soon to be released refresh, buyers overwhelmingly select the refresh. A few months after the 2018 has been released, sales numbers will settle back down to normal values.

And I assume you have sales numbers to back this up since you are stating a "fact"? Kinda hard to pull sales numbers on something not yet for sale.

 

[millhouse]

We can argue price justification all we want, but the sales numbers state the facts: When given the option between a current model and a soon to be released refresh, buyers overwhelmingly select the refresh. A few months after the 2018 has been released, sales numbers will settle back down to normal values.

Will agree on that.

 

[Erik427]

10 speed auto and 460hp for me.
The upgraded front is a plus.
2015/2017 just didn't do it for me.

 

[CompOface]

I think the slump in sales (Aug to Aug) also has a lot to do with the amount of used '15s and '16s out there. The deals are just too good to pass up if you can find the configuration you want. You can't take the dip solely on people waiting for the '18.

Let's face it... all that really matters is Mustang outpaced the Camaro in August

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