Are we just too demanding?

[3star2nr]

I have an M2 and it's a fun car, but the suspension and steering isn't this magical thing.

Is it a better car than a Mustang? Yes, but not as much as people think. Besides the M2, I wouldn't buy a BMW. I rented a Mustang on vacation for a week and put a lot of miles on it and was seriously impressed with it overall.

I don't want to modify my car because the DCT is a fortune to fix and the motor is $25k to replace if you break it.

Granted mines an '18 with 14k miles, but I haven't had a single issue with it as a DD. However, I won't keep it past warranty.

I want a car I can upgrade and tinker with without fear. I'm likely going to American V8 within the year.

Porsche is amazing, but you can get 2 GTs for a base 911.

They're fundamentally different cars. Refined fit and finish European 6-cylinders versus raw, V8 power that isn't as refined and lacks some interior, but has a massive aftermarket and nearly unlimited tuning and customization.

Same reason my father traded his RS7 for a Stage 2 Hellcat.

Oh its coming brother... Your car is still new that's why. But no one escapes the BMW wallet raping curse

But yeah man get a nice used Mustang. And I'd just buy a modded one because even the "stock" low mileage ones probably had a whipple on it at some point lol.

At least with the modded ones you dont have to waste money on mods after.

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[3star2nr]

I love my car, but I have the 10 speed, I had a mt82 on my 2011 and it broke

the 10 speed trannies break too...

 

[BmacIL]

You can make a GT kick the snot out of an M2, and handle better and still ride well while doing it, for significantly less money.

 

[Jm22]

Oh its coming brother... Your car is still new that's why. But no one escapes the BMW wallet raping curse

But yeah man get a nice used Mustang. And I'd just buy a modded one because even the "stock" low mileage ones probably had a whipple on it at some point lol.

At least with the modded ones you dont have to waste money on mods after.

I assume its because mine is new.

I'm likely going to buy a leftover GT and then sleeve the motor and go built A10, upgraded half shafts, and hellion twin turbo street sleeper.

Not 100% yet. I was looking at a C63 or ZL1, but those don't need mods.

I want a V8 and to modify it. I wish the GT350 came with a DCT, because driving around NYC in a manual is a pain with traffic and pedestrians.

 

[Jm22]

You can make a GT kick the snot out of an M2, and handle better and still ride well while doing it, for significantly less money.

I'm aware. I just got it because it was a screaming deal. It has depreciated about $2k in 1 year, so I didn't have a lot to lose.

Also, after having a DCT it's hard to go back to a regular auto. My gf has a '19 EcoBoost, so I've driven the A10 and it's just not the same.

 

[myblkshadow19]

this has so much potential to be me typing for hours, and i am just not into that. coming from 08-17 with dodge cars and ram trucks i have personal thoughts, beginning with they are heavy! no getting around the weight. daily driving almost no one can tell the weakness of the vehicles untill you begin to push them to more than a standard driver would. BMW's are great cars. but you better have deep pockets, but the car especially the M editions have amazing input and feel from a drivers point. also having tried to buy and driving a 17 camaro 1le for sometime if i could have made the same deal i got on this 19 premium GT it would be here instead of the mustang. being a performance driven individual i can't say I'm brand loyal although i do have a soft spot for my molar's. that camaro with mag ride, the way that stick shift worked and felt. the tires etc....it had everything i wanted and still would. that being said after having my mustang now for 4months it still puts a smile on my face. i also disagree with him on feedback/feel from the steering. i have absolutely no issues with how my GT gives me feedback through the steering. it is spot on, grip levels are also more than acceptable as well as excellent braking with comfort being well also. i would have to get picky about things if need be to find something not right. i could go on but with asking for input. this is mine

 

[IronG]

Just my opinions/observations over the last 20 years or so.........

Japanese/S. Korean = simple but very efficient design, high quality parts, lower requirements for high lvl of tolerances with priority for durability for longer lasting parts - generally the longest lasting and cheapest to maintain
German = extreme complexity and very efficient design, high quality parts, high requirements for high lvl of tolerances with priority for performance with less priority to long lasting parts - can last many years, but expensive to maintain
US = mix of designs for simplicity/complexity with lower costs to build and replace, medium quality parts with lower requirements for tolerances with priority to be able to replace parts cheaply with less priority on long lasting or performance. - can last a long time, but will cost more to maintain than the Asian cars and less expensive than the Germans

 

[Darkstar]

I agree for the most part, the great thing about the S550 is that it's a balanced, approachable and useable car. The engine is the star and the aftermarket can take care of whatever handling shortcomings there are. It doesn't have the feel of a BMW but quite honestly BMW isn't the driver's car they once were either. The only BMW that would interest me is the M2 Competition but I'd miss this engine. I disagree with his statement that the Mustang isn't a drivers car, though. Maybe not in the hipster like view he has of what that is but the S550 is a far from a boat and is fun to take on backroads.

 

[IronG]

There is a lot of FUD going on in this thread. The simple truth is that the EB in its best performance config is a nice sporty option, it still plays second fiddle to the 5.0. That is not a slight on EB's just simple fact. I am sure you could make up a few scenarios where the EB could outperform the 5.0, but they really would not be very worthy ones. Something like......... going around a left turn in 2nd gear only with the accelerated 3/5's of the way down with the passenger window down with 20 lbs of air in the left rear tire on a partly cloudy day. I really don't see an argument that can be made for an EB to outperform a 5.0 unless the 5.0 driver is clueless.

 

[BmacIL]

This is true for pretty much any car under 7-figures.

 

[BmacIL]

Take Mustang, spend less than price of another car on mods, beat that car in a contest of speed. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

You realize what seven figures means?

 

[BmacIL]

You realize what under means? A car that costs LESS than $X,XXX,XXX can be beaten by a modded Mustang.

Well, yes. Hard to do that against many cars and keep the mustang a good street car.

 

[Shifting_Gears]

I had a great post last night that for whatever reason didn’t take when I tried to post it.

In short, we should expect what we pay for. We drive Fords, not German or Asian sports cars. There’s inherent differences between the three and while we may have some nuances that we just can’t get over (ticking, GT350 oil consumption) we are coming in at a generally much lower price point with a nearly endless aftermarket and following. We have bad ass cars, but at the end of the day they are still Fords. Still Mustangs. Look how far the S550 platform has come from the previous two.

I’ll bite my tongue for a few annoying things here and there but the ability to own a 435HP, 6 speed (WITH A REAL CLUTCH), IRS and handling oriented suspension bad ass looking piece of Americana for under $30k.

When BMW owners turn their nose at me, I’ll chuckle as they drive into long term ownership hell or long term rentalship. It’s one of the two for them.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

Same reason my father traded his RS7 for a Stage 2 Hellcat.

Nice. Your Dad is a king among men

I was really surprised how nice the Mustang is and how much I liked it. Different driving experience? Yes. A little bit less refined? Yes. But they're just different cars with different goals. I'd have to agree with the guy being a little too demanding.

Yeah, you know, having owned 3 new BMWs, including some higher trim lines, it's pretty darn good. When I'm driving a premium GT with the 401a package, I don't feel like the experience is in any way less than a BMW. If you park the two, root around around and inspect them at a granular level, then sure.

You can make a GT kick the snot out of an M2, and handle better and still ride well while doing it, for significantly less money.

... and still have a really nice ride. I think it's important to qualify, this isn't like gutting the interior of a Civic and sticking on a huge turbo - a modern S550 is pretty refined, the Magneride system is spectacular, is has blind spot, lane detection, pre-crash mitigation options, heated seats and steering wheel, etc.

I'm likely going to buy a leftover GT and then sleeve the motor and go built A10, upgraded half shafts, and hellion twin turbo street sleeper.

Not 100% yet. I was looking at a C63 or ZL1, but those don't need mods.

Don't fall into the "the ZL1 is fast enough stock" theory, they're fast up top, with their gearing, an A10 GT with 3.55 and a tune is very competitive around town, and you're spending quite a bit more but will probably still want a tune, headers/exhaust, additional cooler setups, ported TB (all with the associated risk of grenading a motor) - at the end of the day, the notable price difference almost makes it a wash - I was very seriously cross shopping a ZL1 convertible (vs. another GT convertible), went with the latter, saved $12K-15K, got a car I think looks better, sounds better, has better interior ergonomics, some slick stuff like the digital dash, and with a wheel/tire upgrade really closes the gap. My plan is also FI at some point as well

 

[BmacIL]

... and still have a really nice ride. I think it's important to qualify, this isn't like gutting the interior of a Civic and sticking on a huge turbo - a modern S550 is pretty refined, the Magneride system is spectacular, is has blind spot, lane detection, pre-crash mitigation options, heated seats and steering wheel, etc.

That was the point I was trying to reinforce. You can turn anything into a fast track car. It's much harder to make a nice street car that's also fast and great to drive on track.

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