Any V6 fans?

[Horse]

Yes, gas mileage and reliability are two important factors for me in deciding which car to buy. If it is also fun to drive, that would be great!

:ford: please make S550 available for media review this month:help:

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[EE]

Ya, I'd consider getting the V6 if I could get some of the premium features like heated/cooled seats.

In regards to the premium fuel statement, I've never seen a reference to the EB requiring premium. I have seen several references to 87 octane (can't put my hands on them right now.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php/ecoboost-fuel-requirements-2179.html

And like I mentioned, it's recommended.

 

[phil1336]

Premium Fuel "Recommended", right. Meaning if you have the EB 2.3 4 Cyl Engine, technically you (could) use Regular 87 Octane Gasoline and the Vehicle should run (But) if your looking for maximum Fuel Economy & Performance, it behooves you to use Premium Octane 92-93 Gasoline. So, if your MPG sucks and the Engine "pings" and performs poorly, you`ll just have to deal with using Premium Gasoline, period! The naturally aspired 3.7 V6 is made to use Regular Gas.

 

[EE]

Premium Fuel "Recommended", right. Meaning if you have the EB 2.3 4 Cyl Engine, technically you (could) use Regular 87 Octane Gasoline and the Vehicle should run (But) if your looking for maximum Fuel Economy & Performance, it behooves your to use Premium Octane 92-93 Gasoline. So, if your MPG sucks and the Engine "pings" and performs poorly, you`ll just have to deal with using Premium Gasoline, period! The naturally aspired 3.7 V6 is made to use Regular Gas.

My point entirely. *facepalm*:doh:

 

[stangs-R-me]

Premium Fuel "Recommended", right. Meaning if you have the EB 2.3 4 Cyl Engine, technically you (could) use Regular 87 Octane Gasoline and the Vehicle should run (But) if your looking for maximum Fuel Economy & Performance, it behooves your to use Premium Octane 92-93 Gasoline. So, if your MPG sucks and the Engine "pings" and performs poorly, you`ll just have to deal with using Premium Gasoline, period! The naturally aspired 3.7 V6 is made to use Regular Gas.

The Ecoboost is NOT GOING TO PING on 87 Octane ... nor will the 5.0L.

This engine, just like the 3.7L & 5.0L have adjustable valve timing and use knock sensors to advance / retard timing based on the fuel quality. You will NOT harm ANY of these 3 engines running 87 Octane.

The 2011-14 owners manual states the 3.7L is designed to run on 87 Octane and YES ... this is what the factory HP & TQ ratings are based on. However, the 3.7L engine has a 10.5:1 compression ratio (5.0L is 11:1 IIRC) and it's computer WILL adapt for "higher octane fuels" just as the EB & 5.0L will SAFELY adapt for "lower octane fuels".

As far as what fuel Ford recommends is all MARKETING ... PERIOD.

Doug

 

[EE]

The Ecoboost is NOT GOING TO PING on 87 Octane ... nor will the 5.0L.

This engine, just like the 3.7L & 5.0L have adjustable valve timing and use knock sensors to advance / retard timing based on the fuel quality. You will NOT harm ANY of these 3 engines running 87 Octane.

The 2011-14 owners manual states the 3.7L is designed to run on 87 Octane and YES ... this is what the factory HP & TQ ratings are based on. However, the 3.7L engine has a 10.5:1 compression ratio (5.0L is 11:1 IIRC) and it's computer WILL adapt for "higher octane fuels" just as the EB & 5.0L will SAFELY adapt for "lower octane fuels".

As far as what fuel Ford recommends is all MARKETING ... PERIOD.

Doug

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[JimmyTwoTimes]

Thanks for sharing your first hand experience with the 3.7. The bolded part keeps coming up and it is important to me.

Until I know more about the long term reliability of the EB, I think the V6 is the more compelling engine choice. A few years down the road the EB may distinguish itself as the better engine, but the 3.7 has set the bar pretty high.

Totally agreed on the reliability issue (the main reason I'd never get the 2.3T). I have the 3.7 litre in my 2011 Mustang, and it's a great engine -- haven't had a single mechanical problem related to the engine at all (had a problem with the power steering that was replaced under warranty). As for mileage, I get 20-22 in typical mixed driving, have seen as high as 35 mpg in straight-shot highway driving. In PURE city driving -- stuck in traffic constantly, never topping 20 mph, spending > 1 hour idling in one place in a traffic jam -- I've had it drop as low as 14 mpg, but that's rare.

 

[phil1336]

:dnftt:

I agree, what Ford recommends and adds to Vehicle Content is (all Marketing, Period)! Much like their resistance to offer Daytime Running Lights on U.S. destined Vehicles as an (Option) if not included as Standard Equipment, like they do for Fleet Ordered vehicles. Instead, they (include) as Standard Equipment "Global Opening" so that if, by chance you hit the (unlock) Button on your remote control key FOB, for 3 seconds or longer, all your Windows go down and your Power Moonroof retracts and opens up. If that happens by accident, your Vehicle is left open (unprotected) and subject to theft of contents as well as potentially getting flooded by a Monsoon Rain event while your sleeping. How thoughtful to have included such a useless devise just so you can lower your windows to cool the interior of the Vehicle seconds before you open the door to unlock. Idiots!

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Seriously, your rationale for opting for the Fastback Hardtop makes no sence? I live in South Florida where it is Summer 11 months of the year! Sure. during June, July, August & September the (Top) will be UP and the A/C engaged but in the evenings, how about a leisurely drive with the (Top) DOWN and maybe the A/C on for additional comfort? The whole idea of the Mustang experience is predicated on having a Convertible. Even if the (Top) "never" gets put down, its a much sharper looking Sports Car, IMO. Forfeiting the Convertible and spending an additional $5,500 to get the Premium EB 2.3 4 Cyl Version or simply getting it in Fastback instead? Hmmm, No Convertible, save 5K and get instead, Leather Interior (too Hot for FL), "MFT" & Sync w/Touchscreen & Upgraded Radio (never use), Fog Lamps (Never used) Blade Spoiler (would Delete with Option # 13D), 18`` Wheels & Tires (more expensive to replace). To each their own but for me, its a Rag Top or nothing, period! Last but not least, the EB 2.3 4 cyl engine is (recommended) for use with "Premium Gasoline" while the V6 will run just fine on Regular Grade 87 Octane Gas even with the added 10% Ethanol, Case Closed! I don`t keep my Vehicles longer then 4 or 5 years (but) if I did, a naturally aspired engine like the V6 will have much less maintenance issues in the future then a Turbo Charged Twin Scroll aspired engine. If I needed the extra power and performance, and did`nt care about fuel economy or using Premium Grade Gasoline, I`d opt for the V8 GT.

Hey man, to each their own, everybody has their own opinion. Convertibles aren't for me; I hate sunlight (I normally get to work just as the sun is coming up and leave long after it's gone down, which makes me happy because then I don't have to deal with the sun) and would be really worried about rollover accidents.

But hey, that's why they make cars for everybody!

 

[phil1336]

Hey man, to each their own, everybody has their own opinion. Convertibles aren't for me; I hate sunlight (I normally get to work just as the sun is coming up and leave long after it's gone down, which makes me happy because then I don't have to deal with the sun) and would be really worried about rollover accidents.

But hey, that's why they make cars for everybody!

My Brother lives in Webster, NY next to Rochester. He can relate. They have about 45 days of Sunshine a year, the rest, Partly Cloudy, Partly Sunny, Cloudy, Raining, Snowing, etc. Sounds lovely to me, LOL. I assume your not ready to relocate to Florida, Arizona, Nevada, or California? True,most folks feel like you. The Mustang is going to be one of the last American built Convertibles now that the Chrysler 200 dropped theirs. Rollovers, yeah, good point. Hasn`t hurt Harley Davidson Motorcycle sales much, huh?

 

[Sal JC]

I agree, what Ford recommends and adds to Vehicle Content is (all Marketing, Period)! Much like their resistance to offer Daytime Running Lights on U.S. destined Vehicles as an (Option) if not included as Standard Equipment, like they do for Fleet Ordered vehicles. Instead, they (include) as Standard Equipment "Global Opening" so that if, by chance you hit the (unlock) Button on your remote control key FOB, for 3 seconds or longer, all your Windows go down and your Power Moonroof retracts and opens up. If that happens by accident, your Vehicle is left open (unprotected) and subject to theft of contents as well as potentially getting flooded by a Monsoon Rain event while your sleeping. How thoughtful to have included such a useless devise just so you can lower your windows to cool the interior of the Vehicle seconds before you open the door to unlock. Idiots!

Global opening is a great feature, you never have to get into a 130° car

 

[phil1336]

Global opening is a great feature, you never have to get into a 130° car

Think so? Wait until the first time you return to your Car and notice that the Windows, (all 4) are fully down after a massive down pour. If you keep your remote key fob in your pocket, its just a matter of time before it happens to you. The few seconds relief of releasing that (hot air) won`t be worth whatever you find stolen or the Interior of the Vehicle flooded should that (unlock) button accidentally getting pressed for a mere 3 seconds. You`ve been warned!
PS: What do you know about Heat? You live in NY or Florida? lmao

 

[Grimace427]

Think so? Wait until the first time you return to your Car and notice that the Windows, (all 4) are fully down after a massive down pour. If you keep your remote key fob in your pocket, its just a matter of time before it happens to you. The few seconds relief of releasing that (hot air) won`t be worth whatever you find stolen or the Interior of the Vehicle flooded should that (unlock) button accidentally getting pressed for a mere 3 seconds. You`ve been warned!
PS: What do you know about Heat? You live in NY or Florida? lmao

Every system I'm aware of requires line-of-sight via an IR signal to roll the windows down with the remote, making your scenario impossible.

 

[phil1336]

Wrong, period! If you are within 150 feet of the Vehicle and unless you are incased in a Steel Vault, the Ford Global Open feature will immediately open and fully lower all (4) Windows as well as open a Power Moonroof (if equipped). If the "unlock" button is accidentally depressed for 3 seconds in your pocket by change, nail clipper, etc. you will return to your Vehicle surprised by seeing your windows lowered. Experienced this phenomenon twice, both times at home. My Wife returned home from work recently while it was pouring rain outside during a Thunder Storm and she questioned why I left all 4 windows down in our Ford C-Max Hybrid parked in our driveway. Check out the C-Max Forum on BlueOvalForum and you`ll see its a common experience of the Global Open feature. I`m having mine, disabled later this week. 15 minutes labor charge since it is a non-warrantied item I desire to be shut off.

 

[Suddueth13]

^^^I've owned quite a few vehicles with keyfobs and I've had buttons accidentally depressed, but never for more than a second. It would take quite a bit for something to do that for more than three seconds in a pocket less than 150' from the car......

As far as reliability goes, if you take care of it, and perform routine maintenance like any vehicle, the EcoBoost will be just as reliable as any of them. If you beat the hell out of it and lack regular maintenance, then yes, the turbo cars will fail faster. And as stated, just like every other EcoBoost, it will run fine on any pump gas octane just fine. You will only get the max rated power with the recommended fuel. Fuel economy, will never see a difference big enough to be calculated.

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