After owning every power adder...

[pilot0987]

You have 4 other threads to tend to, no reason to shit on his. We know you have a nice turbo kit with purty welds, but sometimes less is more. If I was you, I'd focus on not over doing your presence out of fear or risking reputation, or risking your Vendor status by not being a dick. You need the support of this community to help support your livelihood, and we would like for people like you to keep getting out of bed to make shinier things for our cars. So, go weld something, post another thread about it, debate over there.

OP, On3 kits ain't the best, we know that, but damn they make some power :eyebulge:. Rock out, play with it, don't crash it, sell it when your done and get another S550 with a Murican made twin kit. Peace

Travis is just passionate about what he does. He cares very much about the community we have all grown to love. Ive seen him clean mistakes from many brands and failed components on big brand kits everyone jumps on board with. Ive seen cracked hellion manifolds that rusted from the inside with less than a 1000 miles on it. Ive seen it "believe it or not" the mighty whipple destroyed off of a car that was occassionally raced that everyone seems to jump on board with as the best out there. Ive seen prochargers eat their own inlets and the destroy blowers. Then have the manifacturer deny it on the forum as they dont have a problem with them. But a few months later offer the same part upgrades Boostworks originally came up with as a solution to one of their customers problems that procharger was unwilling to help. Ive seen wires butt spliced off a 6000 ecu travis has wrapped his head around bending over backwards to fix. At the end of the day you may shop for the best deal in town or the cheapest price on the internet but what really makes or breaks a product is who is doing the work. There is not alot of competent people anymore that can even do a supercharger install correctly. Its sad really. And the true people that pour their heart and soul into improving the entire industry, manufactures, and installers are labled as shit talkers, or class less. Yall need to take a step back from the marketing and realize who the real people are in this industry. They dont do it cause they wanna get rich, they do it cause they love the cars.

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[Travis@boostworks]

In my opinion I would not give Kenne Bell another dime of my money. They got enough already on one of their escapades. Like I said my opinion.

When did you buy a Kenne Bell kit for a Mustang? ;)

Just picking.. I know you got a raw deal on that one. The GM PD blower kits are all pretty much fail. Not enough room for cooling.

 

[z06psi]

When did you buy a Kenne Bell kit for a Mustang? ;)

Just picking.. I know you got a raw deal on that one. The GM PD blower kits are all pretty much fail. Not enough room for cooling.

It was more than that. Once KB recognized that it was a complete failure they should have offered to buy the kits back. Once it was out they were worthless well, they were worthless. Got half of my money back that I shelled out on over promises and under delivers and I would take KB to task at anytime for what they did.

 

[Burnin4]

Travis is just passionate about what he does. He cares very much about the community we have all grown to love. Ive seen him clean mistakes from many brands and failed components on big brand kits everyone jumps on board with. Ive seen cracked hellion manifolds that rusted from the inside with less than a 1000 miles on it. Ive seen it "believe it or not" the mighty whipple destroyed off of car that was occassionally raced that everyone seems to jump on board with as the best out there. Ive seen prochargers eat their own inlets and the. Have the manifacturer deny it on the forum as they dont have a problem with them. But a few months later offer the same part upgrades Boostworks originally came up with as a solution to one of their customers problems that procharger was unwilling to help. Ive seen wires butt spliced off a 6000 ecu travis has wrapped his head around bending over backwards to fix. At the end of the day you may shop for the best deal in town or the cheapest price on the internet but what really makes or breaks a product is who is doing the work. There is not alot of competent people anymore that can even do a supercharger install correctly. Its sad really. And the true people that pour their heart and soul into improving the entire industry, manufactures, and installers are labled as shit talkers, or class less. Yall need to take a step back from the marketing and realize who the real people are in this industry. They dont do it cause they wanna get rich, they do it cause they love the cars.

^lot of words there, I get that he is passionate and a good vendor, just needs to throttle the tenacity, not try to sell a turbo kit in every thread.

 

[Travis@boostworks]

It was more than that. Once KB recognized that it was a complete failure they should have offered to buy the kits back. Once it was out they were worthless well, they were worthless. Got half of my money back that I shelled out on over promises and under delivers and I would take KB to task at anytime for what they did.

I tuned one a few months back.. C5 kit with a 2.6. It actually ran really well.

No one is without fault. There were many failed Whipple's on Lightnings and 03/04 Cobra's. Hell, I just changed a 2.9 liter side feed that burnt up on a 2012 Shelby GT350 last month. I think that both of those companies went through growing pains, and I'm sure there are folks (like yourself) who are still burned about it. I'll say that Jim Bell has learned to make changes and grow the company, though. The Coyote and GT500 stuff is solid. I wouldn't get behind it if it wasn't. That's for sure.

 

[Phoenix]

^lot of words there, I get that he is passionate and a good vendor, just needs to throttle the tenacity, not try to sell a turbo kit in every thread.

And yet other vendors can come in to EVERY OTHER THREAD and say "whipped whipple whipple!"

Got it. One way street.

 

[Reds197]

Same On3 turbo kit..

**Slight modification required

Nope! That's not a picture of Jon's car. My kit fit fine to.

 

[Travis@boostworks]

^lot of words there, I get that he is passionate and a good vendor, just needs to throttle the tenacity, not try to sell a turbo kit in every thread.

I wasn't trying to sell anything.. Just hate to see people come through our doors and say "I should have listened". Do you realize how many times that happens? I'm not a dick.. I promise. Maybe I should have a separate anonymous account to post with when I'm off the clock.

I love to build fast cars. If you have the same passion, then you know that every dime matters. Making the right choices matters. So, sometimes the lines get blurred between me being a "vendor" and me being a car enthusiast. I'm human.. Sorry.

 

[pilot0987]

^lot of words there, I get that he is passionate and a good vendor, just needs to throttle the tenacity, not try to sell a turbo kit in every thread.

Im not going to fault a guy that wants feed his family.

 

[Travis@boostworks]

Nope! That's not a picture of Jon's car. My kit fit fine to.

I didn't mean that "exact" car. I meant that same kit for the same model of car. So, how come this one didn't fit right? They should all fit properly if they're built on a good jig by competent people, right? ;)

I get it.. The kit works and makes power most of the time. But, what about the ones who get a kit that doesn't fit. Or a turbo fails.. wastegates fail and take one a 10K+ engine? It's happened a lot with On3. Does that not mean anything? Should we just ignore it? Sweep it under the rug? Then the guy who loses a motor or has a horrible experience is wondering why no one talked about it when he researched forums (just like this one).

That's all I'm saying.. If you want to roll the dice on it, then go ahead. The 15 year old welding for 2 dollars a day in China probably doesn't care about your car. ;)

 

[z06psi]

I tuned one a few months back.. C5 kit with a 2.6. It actually ran really well.

Two questions. What was the RWHP and what was the IATs at the end?

 

[Travis@boostworks]

Two questions. What was the RWHP and what was the IATs at the end?

Car had 82K miles on it.. actually came to us with a crappy tune. We cleaned it up, swapped to a Stewart EMP pump, put a new tensioner on it, and some new plugs. It made 558whp/531wtq @ 8psi. IAT's were 135-138.. but it was also 105 degrees ambient in the dyno cell. The EMP pump made a big difference right off the bat. I like the fact that it increases pump RPM to maintain flow rates even with a restriction in the way. Not cheap, but worth it.

 

[mustang1]

You need to go back and read what I wrote.. I joked with the guy about Kenne Bell being just as capable as a turbo kit. That is not "shitting" on a thread. You guys who are blowing this way out of proportion are the ones shitting on the thread.

maybe the issue is using emotionally charged words such as Chinese crap and "support the American economy". I would prefer to focus on technical specs, photos, and failure points backed by evidence.

Ford's OPG isn't very impressive. And as far as I know, that's not Chinese.

 

[Pincushin3819]

I can respect threads like this & people like Travis. I've been on the other end as a customer when things go bad & it sucks. It really sucks when you find out that the problem has been well known but never documented because of cover ups & hush money. Image how many uneducated people come on to forums & read threads not even as members but as guests to learn about things that there becoming interested in & getting half truth. Putting the shoe on the other foot if you wasn't happy with a product you have spent thousands on & you had to keep putting thousands more into when you should be enjoying this experience that you have been saving your hard earned money for. The truth should come out good or bad, companys should be held accountable for there products & a standard should be met. But above all customers should have the access to make more of an educational purchase from real enthusiasts without misguided information.
This would help the industry so much more, we would have better product's & more people involved as real car lovers instead of a bad experience turning what could of been a passion into an endless rant like what I'm doing now.

 

[Barrel]

Ford's OPG isn't very impressive. And as far as I know, that's not Chinese.

What makes you say that? The motor is assembled in Canada with parts made where only Ford knows for sure. 40% of the car uses foreign manufacturing excluding Canada.

I can respect the vendors that have a real passion for the hobby. I also respect it when they're transparent about the manufacturing process and where their parts come from. If a company says they use American steel and American welders to do the work...I'm way more interested in the product. It's not the be all end all but it's nice to be able to factor it into my decision.

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