350 hp ecoboost?

[Rob WH]

I get that your a car guy. I happen to like engines and drive the best of them. There are also Automotive awards that have been going on for 50 years, with Best Engine & Engineering. You do know this.? Don't you..?

Seriously? That's LAUGHABLE!

Any true car enthusiast would never in his/her lifetime assume that a magazine article can tell them which engine is best, period.

Need proof why that statement rings true? Look at Ward's 10 best for 2014... if you can find a single engine on the list which hasn't been around at least 5yrs, the list is all about what the "judges" deemed cool, based on what they've been told and/or read. That's hardly an accurate way to determine what's best. In fact, it's a JOKE of a way and usually comes down to which company paid them the most! Ward's is the 1st to come to mind for me and it's only 20yrs old... apparently about your age.

That said, for 2014, Ford has a new engine on the list and BMW has an engine on the list(#2)... Ram and Chevy each have engines on the list... Ironically, no Mercedes Benz engines made the list... I suppose they're just not as good as Ford, GM and RAM anymore... :tsk:

And that brilliant Engineering is what makes a brilliant Engine. Right..?

I won't argue against brilliant engineering, but that means little here... After all, the small block OHV was brilliant engineering... That doesn't mean every engine designed by brilliant engineers is a great engine, let alone the best engine. Besides, you're also apparently thinking that only BMW and M-B can have the best engineers... that's simply not the case, of course.

Also, I am not saying the 2.3 EB can't put out that kind of power, it just wouldn't make sense for the CAFE and warranty stuff. So it will be much lower in stock form. (315hp/320tq at best)

I put no dog in that fight and won't. In fact, I think you're probably very close to exact on your analysis there.

Ford will probably offer a "Race Tune" at some point for the EB Mustang to unlock most of it, etc.. And make no doubt, I am sure some mullet-heads will fudge the turbos & internals and have 450hp down the strip in no time.

Yep. I said as much a few days ago when I commented on the strong torque of the Pontiac and the Ford tuner for the 2L.

Lastly, I can tell you never driven in a BMW. Even people who don't like them, can't deny the ride & chassis response, etc. The reason Cadillac & Ford go after them..

Actually, I used to have an astoundingly wonderful M5... So? I didn't say a thing negative about BMW, just that they're expensive and not better overall, from what we can actually tell with the information we have. I know they have great a chassis under many bodies, but I also know that they're hardly the only company worthy of that accolade. I don't have a closed mind about automobiles, believe it or not. I call as I see it w/o a crap load of guessing that I don't call guessing..

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[86GT]

I still expect a higher torque than hp number for the 2.3. It's been that way on every motor so far, why wouldn't it be in this one?

So let's say it "only" has 315hp. I'd expect it to have 340ish lbft to go along with it. That's what is going to make it worth getting over the V6.

 

[smitty]

Ye old saying that "horsepower sells cars and torque wins races" is probably familiar to many. Many mustang buyers will see the small difference between horsepower/mileage when comparing the six and turbo four and not understand the price premium if ford doesn't give it (and I'm pulling this number out of my ass) 40 or so more horsepower. They obviously want to sell more ecoboosts to help their cafe numbers. Buyers who don't understand the difference in the two engines most likely won't miss the performance difference either, as their priorities will be less focused on performance.

I'm betting the ecoboost will be around 340hp which is pushing 150hp/liter with lots more torque available with a tune. I've never bought a non-v8 mustang, but this ecoboost is looking like the best overall driver while not being ultimately as fast as the v8. I'm not a track guy, but I enjoy the lightness of not having a larger engine up front. And around town stoplight to stoplight, the automatic turbo 4 with a tune will be a tough customer even for the coyote to handle. Good enough for me, but I'll really really miss that v8 sound :( For every other aspect of car owenership though, this four banger sounds like a winner!!

 

[buRNout]

Every year the performance of these engines are being pushed farther and farther. Ford has spent barge loads of cash developing the ecoboost line as an investment in the future. So M-B has the top I4 now. That will change, it always does. Could BMW do it? Sure. Could Ford? Absolutely. Will Ford set the new standard? I dunno but you can't rule them out. Ford is obviously serious about the ecoboost line to the point they are making it part of their identity as a company. I don't think you can rule them out simply because they are not German. The first aluminum mass production truck, 50 year anniversary Mustang, base gt over 420 HP, the fusion and ST lines have been a huge success and the advancements in heavy duty diesels is mind blowing. It's an exciting time for Ford and they appear to be coming out swinging. I would not count them out just on name.

 

[buRNout]

I get that your a car guy. I happen to like engines and drive the best of them. There are also Automotive awards that have been going on for 50 years, with Best Engine & Engineering. You do know this.? Don't you..?

And that brilliant Engineering is what makes a brilliant Engine. Right..?



Also, I am not saying the 2.3 EB can't put out that kind of power, it just wouldn't make sense for the CAFE and warranty stuff. So it will be much lower in stock form. (315hp/320tq at best)

Ford will probably offer a "Race Tune" at some point for the EB Mustang to unlock most of it, etc.. And make no doubt, I am sure some mullet-heads will fudge the turbos & internals and have 450hp down the strip in no time.




Lastly, I can tell you never driven in a BMW. Even people who don't like them, can't deny the ride & chassis response, etc. The reason Cadillac & Ford go after them..

Ford’s 1.0 liter EcoBoost engine has been proclaimed the 2014 International Engine of the Year, following voting sponsored by Engine Technology International magazine. The 1.0 liter EcoBoost has also broken a record, becoming the first engine to win the award three consecutive years in a row, and it out-competed the second place winner, the Ferrari 4.5 liter V8, by a margin of 351 points to 281 points. The voting is done by 82 jurors from 34 countries.
http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2014/06/fords-1-liter-ecoboost-engine/

 

[86GT]

Ye old saying that "horsepower sells cars and torque wins races" is probably familiar to many. Many mustang buyers will see the small difference between horsepower/mileage when comparing the six and turbo four and not understand the price premium if ford doesn't give it (and I'm pulling this number out of my ass) 40 or so more horsepower. They obviously want to sell more ecoboosts to help their cafe numbers. Buyers who don't understand the difference in the two engines most likely won't miss the performance difference either, as their priorities will be less focused on performance.

I'm betting the ecoboost will be around 340hp which is pushing 150hp/liter with lots more torque available with a tune. I've never bought a non-v8 mustang, but this ecoboost is looking like the best overall driver while not being ultimately as fast as the v8. I'm not a track guy, but I enjoy the lightness of not having a larger engine up front. And around town stoplight to stoplight, the automatic turbo 4 with a tune will be a tough customer even for the coyote to handle. Good enough for me, but I'll really really miss that v8 sound :( For every other aspect of car owenership though, this four banger sounds like a winner!!

I agree with everything you just said. If I were at Ford marketing, I'd want to make sure the 2.3 had a good hp bump over the V6 for those very reasons.

I'm still waiting for the 2.3T to go into the Fusion with AWD and a 6spd manual... that's the car I really want.

 

[doulos4jc]

...the automatic turbo 4...

That is where you lost me

 

[Rob WH]

I'm still waiting for the 2.3T to go into the Fusion with AWD and a 6spd manual... that's the car I really want.

Well dang... how about waiting for an invite to the moon... NO CHARGE! :lol:

The odds they'll offer a manual in a Fusion... slim and none. I'd be every bit as happy with the AWD 2.3L in my Escape or a Fusion(also AWD) with the auto and paddle shifters. The Fusion has them, but not the Escape... I need to strongly consider checking out the Lincoln MKC 2.3L AWD... It's a bundle more money, but it has everything I answered the Ford survey with, as to what changes I would make to my Escape, including paddle shifters and basically the Fusion interior, complete. Generally, I truly do like the Escape.

That is where you lost me

It's weird how few people want a manual transmission. Personally, I'm all done rowing gears in anything except a big truck and may as well be done with that since I don't drive anymore. It used to be really fun, till age caught up to me... 1 bad foot changes things... not to mention wanting more comfort. :shrug:

 

[wilkinda65]

Well dang... how about waiting for an invite to the moon... NO CHARGE! :lol:

The odds they'll offer a manual in a Fusion... slim and none. I'd be every bit as happy with the AWD 2.3L in my Escape or a Fusion(also AWD) with the auto and paddle shifters. The Fusion has them, but not the Escape... I need to strongly consider checking out the Lincoln MKC 2.3L AWD... It's a bundle more money, but it has everything I answered the Ford survey with, as to what changes I would make to my Escape, including paddle shifters and basically the Fusion interior, complete. Generally, I truly do like the Escape.

It's weird how few people want a manual transmission. Personally, I'm all done rowing gears in anything except a big truck and may as well be done with that since I don't drive anymore. It used to be really fun, till age caught up to me... 1 bad foot changes things... not to mention wanting more comfort. :shrug:

The base model Fusion already offers a manual transmission. My sister in-law owns one. But thats the base I4 engine as well

 

[Suddueth13]

The 1.6 EcoBoost also offers a 6-speed manual in the Fusion. Apparently that's gone for 2015 which is sad.

I think with the Hellcat shocking everyone with 707hp when Chrysler was playing the guessing game with 600+hp, you never know just how it will go. We very well could get a 350hp EcoBoost. We may not. You can't compare the 2.3L in the MKC to the Mustang. It will be rated very differently as basically they treat it as a different motor. The 3.5L EcoBoost in it's transverse guise is short on torque compared to the RWD set up because the transaxles aren't rated for the torque it could produce(460lbs-ft IIRC in the Expedition and Navi).

 

[smitty]

That is where you lost me

I really enjoy manuals as well... Most of the mustangs I've had have been manual. Because the auto is a torque converter style, it will work really well with the turbo by flashing to an rpm where the torque curve is higher and flatter. Also, it will multiply torque (it will do this for the v8 as well), but the turbo may very well be making more torque at a lower rpm. Combined with a lower overall weight it may even keep up with the v8 for a few seconds
Anyway, turbos and torque converters work well together, and with manual control it will allow me to bomb the back roads too. ;) Not as fun as rev matching and rowing yourself, but still pretty fun
I'm going to revise my number to 320hp. I forgot they will recommending 87 octane.:frusty: Torque will be higher... Maybe 340-350 ft.lbs.

 

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[Rob WH]

The base model Fusion already offers a manual transmission. My sister in-law owns one. But thats the base I4 engine as well

What year model? The manual in a 2013+ only came with the 1.6L Ecoboost.

The 1.6 EcoBoost also offers a 6-speed manual in the Fusion. Apparently that's gone for 2015 which is sad.

Only in FWD. I should've been more clear; We were talking about 2.3 and AWD.

I think with the Hellcat shocking everyone with 707hp when Chrysler was playing the guessing game with 600+hp, you never know just how it will go.

Dodge knew months ago where the power in the Hellcat would be... these guys aren't rookies, believe that. Simply enough, they didn't share it till they thought was the right time, after extensive tests and changes. Their goal was always to be more powerful than the GT500 and they knew the basics of what they had to do for that level, which included a new engine in their minds.

 

[mhand52]

http://www.tflcar.com/2014/07/2015-mustang-ecoboost-350/

Anyone catch that he said "More than 310hp"?

First time ive heard anything official over 305.

Underrated 325 @ 350 seeming quite possible..

 

[Rob WH]

Anyone catch that he said "More than 310hp"?

First time ive heard anything official over 305.

I've been repeating that for weeks, apparently to blind eyes in most cases.

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