350 hp ecoboost?

[Rob WH]

Yeah and the superchargers being worked on for the new 5.0 touting 700HP is a game changer too lol

I'm curious if such a "build" will be street driver capable. It's a MASSIVE S/C though, if I've read of the one you mean... like 3.7L or 4L... don't remember, but LARGE!

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[Brent302]

I'm curious if such a "build" will be street driver capable. It's a MASSIVE S/C though, if I've read of the one you mean... like 3.7L or 4L... don't remember, but LARGE!

Oh wow...lol 3.7 so plugging a v6 on top holy cow!

 

[smitty]

If this is true, then I'd rather be blown

 

[Grimace427]

I'm curious if such a "build" will be street driver capable. It's a MASSIVE S/C though, if I've read of the one you mean... like 3.7L or 4L... don't remember, but LARGE!

If you were talking about the Ford Racing/Whipple blower, it's 2.9l.


http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php/2015-5-0-1513.html

 

[Rob WH]

If you were talking about the Ford Racing/Whipple blower, it's 2.9l.


http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php/2015-5-0-1513.html

I can't remember what it was, but I was honestly thinking of a Kenny Bell... there's the 3.6L and maybe that's what someone was talking about, perhaps in some secret new size... I read way too much! Well, that isn't the problem. The problem is, I forget too much!

I should've bookmarked it... There's a good chance it was for the 5.8L

Then there's this... http://www.kennebell.net/KBWebsite/SC_pg/Mustang 5.0 (2011)/layouts/Mustang2011.htm

 

[Grimace427]

I can't remember what it was, but I was honestly thinking of a Kenny Bell... there's the 3.6L and maybe that's what someone was talking about, perhaps in some secret new size... I read way too much! Well, that isn't the problem. The problem is, I forget too much!

I should've bookmarked it... There's a good chance it was for the 5.8L

Then there's this... http://www.kennebell.net/KBWebsite/SC_pg/Mustang 5.0 (2011)/layouts/Mustang2011.htm

Kenne Bell has several different sizes but I haven't followed them much(I think they're ugly! :lol but Whipple has their 2.9l, 3.4(?)l and a 4.0l which is capable of pushing an S197 5.0 into the 8's in the 1/4 mile.

 

[minicobra]

There is nothing wrong with it.
But a 2.3 liter engine, can only put out so much HP.

BMW's acclaimed 3.0 engine only puts out 300hp/300tq. Obviously underrated, but many don't see Ford getting such numbers out of a stock 2.3 liter engine.

I think it's totally possible, but not probable that the 2.3 will have 350. My guess is 320 - 330.

Check out this 2.0L with 360hp in the new Mercedes:
http://www.mercedes-amg.com/webspecial/gla45/index_eng.php#performance

Quote from website.........GLA 45 AMG The AMG 2.0-liter turbo engine is the most powerful series-production four-cylinder turbo engine in the world. It produces 265 kW (360 hp) of power and develops a peak torque of 450 Newton meters.

 

[w3rkn]

I think it's totally possible, but not probable that the 2.3 will have 350. My guess is 320 - 330.

Check out this 2.0L with 360hp in the new Mercedes:
http://www.mercedes-amg.com/webspecial/gla45/index_eng.php#performance

Quote from website.........GLA 45 AMG The AMG 2.0-liter turbo engine is the most powerful series-production four-cylinder turbo engine in the world. It produces 265 kW (360 hp) of power and develops a peak torque of 450 Newton meters.

Not saying Ford can't, just that they will not. There is no need and for those who do have some need, Ford will offer it with their race tune. But not stock @ 350.

The 2.3 already has considerable more TQ and performance over the v6. There is no reason for it to have 340ft-lbs + .. even though it is capable. Because then Ford would have to warranty all that. Even at 310ft-lbs of torque, the 2.3 has considerable TQ deltas over the v6, almost matching the v8 under ~4k rpms.


Secondly, BMW, MB builds better engines and has more patents than ford.. So, their engines won't be as efficient. Additionally, if you believe a 2.3 liter Ford engine, will produce (production) more HP & TQ than BMW's 3.0 liter engine.. then you are fooling yourself...! BMW's are underrated @ 300/300.. (+10/10) but will produce with BMW PPK tune 330hp/340tq. That's after a $2k reliable tune, non-aftermarket. Ford is not going to step in with 0.5 liters less, and come out 20hp+ more than a BMW 3.0 with a performance tune...! How?

Those added HP's will have to be unlocked via tune. Stock, expect no more than 315hp.

 

[Rob WH]

Secondly, BMW, MB builds better engines and has more patents than ford.. So, their engines won't be as efficient.

That's a strong claim... Ford holds joint patents with M-B on many things automotive. Plus, unless you really had a repair breakdown, it's just a claim that one company builds better engines than another. In this case, all 3 are very good. Truly determining which(engine) is best would require some seriously hardcore and in depth studying.

What M-B and BMW offer over Ford is... EXCEEDINGLY OVERPRICED VEHICLES! Yes, they're great and all, but every one of them gets a premium just for the name and it's association with luxury and performance.

 

[scottpe]

Additionally, if you believe a 2.3 liter Ford engine, will produce (production) more HP & TQ than BMW's 3.0 liter engine.. then you are fooling yourself...! BMW's are underrated @ 300/300.. (+10/10) but will produce with BMW PPK tune 330hp/340tq. That's after a $2k reliable tune, non-aftermarket. Ford is not going to step in with 0.5 liters less, and come out 20hp+ more than a BMW 3.0 with a performance tune...! How?

Boost maybe? How much boost is the BMW pushing through that 3.0 (serious question)? 8-9 psi? If the test rides in the Ecoboost are to be believed, the Mustang is pushing around 16psi...

Boost is the great equalizer.

Just a theory...

 

[Stuntman]

As I said in another thread:

The CLA45 AMG is amazing. 355hp out of a 2L. At 177hp/L I think it still holds the record for a production car HP/L . The EB is a mass produced car. I don't think it will be stressed to that level, however a comparable hp/L to a Mitsubishi EVO's 291hp 2L motor would put the EB at 335hp which I think is a good goal to shoot for on the high end of probability.

 

[Free Agent]

I have a feeling that Ford wants to keep a 100 HP (or more) difference between the EB and the 5.0. So with that said I'm going to guess 325-330 for the EB and stick with my 430 HP guess for the 5.0.

 

[w3rkn]

That's a strong claim... Ford holds joint patents with M-B on many things automotive. Plus, unless you really had a repair breakdown, it's just a claim that one company builds better engines than another. In this case, all 3 are very good. Truly determining which(engine) is best would require some seriously hardcore and in depth studying.

What M-B and BMW offer over Ford is... EXCEEDINGLY OVERPRICED VEHICLES! Yes, they're great and all, but every one of them gets a premium just for the name and it's association with luxury and performance.

I get that your a car guy. I happen to like engines and drive the best of them. There are also Automotive awards that have been going on for 50 years, with Best Engine & Engineering. You do know this.? Don't you..?

And that brilliant Engineering is what makes a brilliant Engine. Right..?



Also, I am not saying the 2.3 EB can't put out that kind of power, it just wouldn't make sense for the CAFE and warranty stuff. So it will be much lower in stock form. (315hp/320tq at best)

Ford will probably offer a "Race Tune" at some point for the EB Mustang to unlock most of it, etc.. And make no doubt, I am sure some mullet-heads will fudge the turbos & internals and have 450hp down the strip in no time.




Lastly, I can tell you never driven in a BMW. Even people who don't like them, can't deny the ride & chassis response, etc. The reason Cadillac & Ford go after them..

 

[Stuntman]

Ford has come a long way in recent years to close the gap to BMW in ride and chassis response. I'm quite impressed with their Fusion's ride quality characteristics.

 

[nametoshowothers]

I get that your a car guy. I happen to like engines and drive the best of them. There are also Automotive awards that have been going on for 50 years, with Best Engine & Engineering. You do know this.? Don't you..?

And that brilliant Engineering is what makes a brilliant Engine. Right..?



Also, I am not saying the 2.3 EB can't put out that kind of power, it just wouldn't make sense for the CAFE and warranty stuff. So it will be much lower in stock form. (315hp/320tq at best)

Ford will probably offer a "Race Tune" at some point for the EB Mustang to unlock most of it, etc.. And make no doubt, I am sure some mullet-heads will fudge the turbos & internals and have 450hp down the strip in no time.




Lastly, I can tell you never driven in a BMW. Even people who don't like them, can't deny the ride & chassis response, etc. The reason Cadillac & Ford go after them..

BMW fan boy website elsewhere

I have owned and driven BMW's and have gone back to ford. Owned Mercedes as well. So yes they are "good" cars, but they are not perfect. My 330 was a much better cruiser on the autobahn - yes lived in europe, yes drove the car at its top speed, yes have been to the track, and far prefer the shelby on the track, have driven in M3's and far prefer the Shelby.

But to each his own, I can understand why the compromises that BMW make suit some people better and vice versa.

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