bahasad
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Where did I EVER say that? Quit making things up to try to discredit other people.Uh Oh... someone is confused again.
You originally told me additional cooling on an LT4/camaro wasn't needed. Now here we are having a discussing about how hot things are.
You really don't know much about turbos...A Twin Turbo is two independent turbos feeding each bank. A Bi-Turbo and Twin Scroll are all on the same system... to prevent turbo lag.
That Audi V8 IS a "true" twin turbo, with 2 twin-scroll turbos:The Audi above is a Twin Scroll, not a true twin
You're digging your ignorant hole deeper.For reference, a Twin Turbo is a seperate turbo and plumbing for each cylinder bank.
A Bi-Turbo or Twin Scroll is TWO (02) turbos in a line. As in a little turbo drives a larger turbo which drives the engine yeah?
Technically, an Inline engine would be limited to a Bit or Twin Scroll (new Focus RS 2.3 uses a TS). However, I guess you could have two identical systems driving the same cylinder bank, as long as they are independent.
So no... a Twin Turbo is all by itself. A Bi-Turbo/Twin Scroll are two different turbos, set up in a chain, where one spools the other to eliminate lag.
Ya, because the racecar uses the same turbos, radiators, and intercoolers as the street car... lol :headbonk:IMSA? Cooling was outstanding with the exception of some mishaps. All of Fords systems for the FGT are tested in IMSA. A race car is race bred, a camaro is sedan based. Yes, there is plenty of feedback with the cooling systems for both the turbo system and the coyote/voodoo.
The Front fascia has EVERYTHING to do with cooling a heat exchanger for a turbo. The camaro has very little cool air available to cool the heat exchangers for any system. The GT500 will continue to expand the GT350's grill area.
You are confusing Twin scroll with Twin Sequential...For reference, a Twin Turbo is a seperate turbo and plumbing for each cylinder bank.
A Bi-Turbo or Twin Scroll is TWO (02) turbos in a line. As in a little turbo drives a larger turbo which drives the engine yeah?
Technically, an Inline engine would be limited to a Bit or Twin Scroll (new Focus RS 2.3 uses a TS). However, I guess you could have two identical systems driving the same cylinder bank, as long as they are independent.
So no... a Twin Turbo is all by itself. A Bi-Turbo/Twin Scroll are two different turbos, set up in a chain, where one spools the other to eliminate lag.
Your post is one of the most reasonable and measured responses yet on all this speculation! Several claim to know someone at FP, or knows someone who knows someone that supposedly it the know, or has some sort of secretive connection and is telling a convincing story, but I AM VERY SKEPTICAL that any of them really has any inside track on accurate reliable information regarding a new GT500, or other limited production model. We are going to know only what Ford wants us to know and I believe that they probably get a good laugh over a feeding frenzy like we are seeing here!That's hard to say, as there really is no "this" yet in practical terms. Despite what some parties want us to believe, there is still nothing concrete that we can say that we know, with reasonable certainty, about a potential GT500 or otherwise evolved Hummingbird. Or a Mach1. Or a Bullitt or any other feature car that is likewise potentially coming. Everything that everyone is going apeshit over is still rampant internet speculation, based on hypothesis and a few spy shots that may or may not be relevant, and it seems to be self-feeding.
Really, you guys should know by know that you can't read anything into mule vehicles or development prototypes, because they're too easily cobbled from random bits. Even if the recent sighting is a TT-level car, there is still nothing to indicate which car it truly is. We're just going to have to be patient, and see what happens.
No, I'm pretty sure you can have a Twin Scroll, Bi-Turbo because that is what Audi uses.You are confusing Twin scroll with Twin Sequential...
See Stuntman's post #255
Bi-Turbo and Twin Turbo are the same thing. It's literally the first sentence in the Wikipedia article.No, I'm pretty sure you can have a Twin Scroll, Bi-Turbo because that is what Audi uses.
He is incorrect, a Bi-Turbo is not a Twin Turbo.
Stuntman is like that, he will just continue to debate things that he is completely incorrect about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin-turboTwin-turbo or biturbo refers to a turbocharged engine in which two turbochargers compress the intake charge.
Yes, you are correct. You can have a twin scroll, twin turbo system. Twin scroll only refers to the turbine housing. It has NOTHING to do with how many turbos are in the system.No, I'm pretty sure you can have a Twin Scroll, Bi-Turbo because that is what Audi uses.
He is incorrect, a Bi-Turbo is not a Twin Turbo.
Stuntman is like that, he will just continue to debate things that he is completely incorrect about.
Bi-Turbo and Twin Turbo are the same thing. It's literally the first sentence in the Wikipedia article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin-turbo
BMW and Audi use two twin scroll turbos. They also use a hot-vee design which I highly doubt we will see in a Mustang. But the hot-vee design allows them to split the exhaust pulses to time them correctly for the two twin scroll turbos. Since there are 4 compressor inlets, each one will get an exhaust pulse every 360° of crank rotation. The only way to realistically do this with the turbos on the outside of the motor is to use a flat plane crank.
It ain't, I know. I've seen it. Pretty nice being an engineer about 10 minutes from Ford engineering headquarters. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:People were this skeptical about a Trinity GT500 too. They laughed and laughed at the idea of a 600+HP Mustang...
I'm in complete shock some people are still in denial here.
As thePill originally reported months ago. The GT500 is coming, it is an Ecoboost V8, it will likely be a Bi-Turbo, it will be near 800hp...
thePill's speculation hasn't changed for about a year... he was right all along :lol:
ThePill is backpedaling again and clouding the discussion with contradicting statements to save face.. -His MOYes, you are correct. You can have a twin scroll, twin turbo system. Twin scroll only refers to the turbine housing. It has NOTHING to do with how many turbos are in the system.
Twin and bi turbo are the exact same thing. Look up the prefix "bi" it means two...not sure why its so hard for you to understand.
+1. You may be getting a little complicated for him to understand. After all, he is having trouble with twin and bi meaning the same thing.
No...ThePill is backpedaling again and clouding the discussion with contradicting statements to save face.. -His MO
He also said a bi turbo and twinscroll are the same thing: 2 turbos in series (small feeding large). Lol. :lol: