2016 to 2019 PP1/MT82 Observation

[schmeky]

I grew up on cars in the 80's and 90's with 7.5:1 compression ratios, with fairly large engines that made a whopping 170 HP or so.

Drive one of those slugs, then get in a GEN3 coyote with an A10 and you would think you were shot out of a cannon. I too don't get the "it doesn't feel like 460 HP" comment.

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[3star2nr]

There have been quite a few complaints about these cars not feeling that fast, there's even an entire thread here about that. In fact, months ago a new 2019 PP1/MT82 owner pulled up to my work because he saw my 2016 in the parking lot, and actually complained to me about that very issue.

And I really don't get that.

When the MT82-4 came out in the 2018 car, I thought that the new car would be slower. Simple gear ratios seemed to dictate that. But that is just not the case. The GENIII Coyote motor, with it's DI & PFI combo, plus the 12:1 compression ratio, really makes a lot more torque in the lower RPMs than the GENII engine. And of course there's the repeated tests showing the GENIII engine makes close to 500HP, which I initially doubted and discounted.

Anyways, I'm totally convinced. The way this GENIII pulls from low RPMs is so much smoother and more powerful, even with the taller gears it's made daily driving in traffic much more relaxing. And holy moly, but when you wind this motor out, she delivers.

Sooo.....yeah, I don't understand the complaints. Other than to think that people expect Mustangs to be "Muscle Cars" like Challengers and Charger, or drive like 6.2L push-rod Camaro engines. These are high RPM motors, they need revs.

Its Because people are buying these cars not understanding what they are. Then bitching about it after because they're pissed off ford didnt design what they think a mustang or muscle car should be... When in all honesty they just bought the wrong car... And maybe should have actually test drove the car.

If ford listened to half these people, we'd have pushrods and carburettors making 200hp out of a 8L V8...

Some people just dont want change, don't want to be open minded, and want ford to go in their brain and design what they want... No matter if it isnt marketable...

They dont get that these cars are being designed to compete on the global stage and some countries have corners and shit weather, and huge torque on rwd that can't turn for shit, means cars that sit on dealership lots in those countries...

They dont get the world is bigger than them... And what they think and want means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Especially when you have billions tied up in R&D, tooling, manufacturing, marketting and thousands of engineers and techs lives on the line... You have to design something that will standout and sell to the most people possible, and be useable, reliable, affordable all over the world, and still somehow be fun and true to the mustang heritage.

The s550 some how does all that and is literally dominating actual road races around the world no one gives a shit...

 

[3star2nr]

I grew up on cars in the 80's and 90's with 7.5:1 compression ratios, with fairly large engines that made a whopping 170 HP or so.

Drive one of those slugs, then get in a GEN3 coyote with an A10 and you would think you were shot out of a cannon. I too don't get the "it doesn't feel like 460 HP" comment.

these guys are "stab" racers... You know the type. Buy a car to go park at cars and coffee, then pull out the parking lot stab it to look cool, spin out right into a tree...

Or stab it at a stoplight get to 65 mph then slow down...

Or stab it on the highway, cut through traffic almost kill people running from a Honda accord with a wing...

This car isnt meant for that... You can use it for that, but you won't be happy with it, and you aren't using even 30% of what its capable of... its an actual car, designed to be driven, actually driven.

 

[torqued]

Its Because people are buying these cars not understanding what they are.

I guess I'm one of them. I was expecting the advertised 420 lb-ft or whatever to be *usable* torque. But it seems like it's up in the rev band to be usable for some kind of racing application. But Ford markets the Mustang GT as a street car.

And I assumed the turbo 4 was for the European appeal. And that the V8 would've been kept with traditional characteristics for American appeal. The nameplate does have a muscle car heritage afterall.

I do love how I can drop it into 3rd at freeway speeds and take off. Neither of my other Mustangs could do that (or I didn't dare try). But it can't pull, after a rolling right turn, like a mofo up a favorite hill around my house like my 2008's 3V 4.6L could. Moving to a 4V 5.0 one would naturally expect a stronger pull, not a weaker one. I'm afraid to drop it into 2nd at certain speeds, even though that's probably what it would need to pull decently.

Maybe the mistake is in getting the stick with this engine. Maybe Ford should've put out a warning, you're gonna actually need 10 gears and a very shift-happy auto tranny to keep the coyote where it likes to live. It's still early in my ownership of this car and I guess I need to work harder at figuring out how to make it really fun with the MT-82.

 

[Kong76]

If you want it to feel fast stay above 4500 rpms. It's a slow heavy car below that.

 

[TwinGT]

2019 pp1 manual here with about 2000 miles. When I test drove a similar one the first thing I noticed was how long I could stay in each gear. I’m still amazed at the gear length. I don’t drag or track, I just like driving around backroads and this car fits me well for that.
I agree with the posts about low end torque. I’ll overcome it by just reving it out when needed.

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