I. am. so. confused. When did DD get back together?
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I feel like i've seen those taillights before
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The C-pillar back (save for the actual rear valance) is like a cute baby F-Type. Even the taillights look like the little adolescent version of something that would grow up to look like the Jag's.
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No turbo, looks like Ecoboost is more and more likely for me.
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They've been cranking out music for awhile!
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http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/03/2016-mazda-mx5-miata-photos-official/
Looks like Ford might want to talk to Mazda about loosing weight.
Looks like Ford might want to talk to Mazda about loosing weight.
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Pretty sure if they shrunk it down, made it a 2-seat roadster, and lost the V8 they could get a similar weight
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2200lbs, Mazda, you know just what I like. I hope this comes out soon.
Anyone hear any engine specs?
Anyone hear any engine specs?
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As reported by Jalopnik, the 3rd gen weighed 2,447 pounds and the new car is somewhere in the realm of 2,200 pounds.Pretty sure if they shrunk it down, made it a 2-seat roadster, and lost the V8 they could get a similar weight
Mazda is claiming they lost over 220 pounds from a 2,400 pound car.
How can anyone see something like this and not think that Ford failed miserably on the 2015 in this regard?
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The 220lb reduction, from what little I've seen, comes from shrinking the car down in its structural bones.
The wheelbase on the Mustang stayed the same. The GT is the one that mainly went up in weight, and even that amount was within the realm of what it gained over the years of the S197 (although I also wish it went down). If the S550 dropped the 6 inches it got from the SN-95 Mustangs, it also would have dropped weight.
I don't think Ford failed. I think the expectations about weight loss weren't managed in the most straightfoward way. This car's dimensions changed over time because of the styling. This is only my opinion, but I believe the new structure essentially had a major update in the front, in the top, and the rear floor area of the suspension and trunk, leaving the S197 floorpan area essentially intact, although there are likely changes to support the A-pillar moving back if you believe what has been shared in recent interviews with Ford people. I know other will debate if that is a "new platform" or not, but that's not my point here.
This approach was not unlike what happened when the Fairmont platform turned into the FOX-4 platform to go from the Foxbody to SN-95 Mustang. It gained weight, but it also gained strength. They retained the floor plan as part of doing an update on a budget. I recognize that my opinion is an oversimiplification, but unless they were going to change the wheelbase, I had generally thought there would be a small-to-no amount of weight loss on this new car. My hope was 100lbs across the board in eery model.
You might term it "failed", but I term it "making design and engineeering choices while balancing the constraints of safety, cost, and future high horsepower engine applications". Miata plays in a different space.
HGFireHazard
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You make some good points, thanks for the even tempered response.
I use the term failed because of what other manufacturers (including Ford themselves) are doing to new vehicles at the same time period. I only use the Miata as a comparison because of the sheer amount of weight it lost. That's something like a 9% decrease. If the 2015 lost that over the S197... well we can all imagine that world.
If you read a lot of the common complaints in general you'll see weight, size, and now even mileage. If Ford could have trimmed 100 pounds it would have most likely come from a slight downsizing, which would have also helped the other categories. A 2015 that lost even just a few inches in length and 100 pounds in all forms would almost certainly have matched the EPA numbers of the outgoing model (even though we know what's on the sticker isn't official, but it probably is). I could go on but I think you get the point.
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