2016 Camaro

[thePill]

My sources say, the 6th Gen Camaro hasnt been put on an official scale yet. There is much that hasn't been finalized appearently. However, that doesn't mean that they don't have a decent idea of where the weight will be. As usual, they claim that there was a significant weight gain in every major component area. There is also a large increase in airbags this Gen. From what I gather, they won't have a solid weight until output figures are finalized...

...and appearently, those are also a ways off as well...

My wheelbase and track estimates are very close too. If true, this would make the Camaro about 75-76 inches wide overall. About 4 inches thicker than the ATS. It will also be about the same overall length as the Mustang. Most of this points to a 6th Gen SS being close to 3900lbs... The interior weight is suppose to be outrageous. Similar to the C7 and S550's weight gain.

The width difference in the Camaro and ATS-V is about the same as the ATS and CTS. While the CTS is a huge monster of a vehicle length and WB wise, the Camaro may in fact be a much wider vehicle than even the CTS.

Imagine if the ATS-V had a 65/64 inch track (62/60 now) and was 75 inches wide overall (72 now). It would not weigh 3700lbs...

Just the extra 3-4 inches of extra steel, glass, plastic and everything else that runs from the front bumper to the rear will be significant. That extra 3-4 inches runs about 188 inches down the vehicle. If 1-2 inches in wheelbase is good for 100lbs, an extreme width increase such as this could be devastating. The track increase will be an increase in unsprung weight too as well as weight overall. Another thing, the Alpha cannot support a convertible as is. Some extra mass and weight will be added onto that 3-4 inch increase for another gain...

The ATS-V is 184 inches long if I remember correctly... The Camaro will be about 4 inches longer too. Another gain...

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[Free Agent]

I'm going to find it comical when the first Camaros start hitting dealerships in December. GM seems more than a year behind than Ford (Camaro vs Mustang wise). I'm also going to guess that every version of the Camaro will weigh slightly heavier than its Mustang counterpart. And I'm also going to guess that every version will be more expensive than its Mustang counterpart as well. My last guess is that they are going to neuter or detune the LT1 to around 440 HP as just enough to top the GT. Again all just guesses of mine. As slow as GM is going we won't know any of this until LATE this year.

 

[thePill]

I'm going to find it comical when the first Camaros start hitting dealerships in December. GM seems more than a year behind than Ford (Camaro vs Mustang wise). I'm also going to guess that every version of the Camaro will weigh slightly heavier than its Mustang counterpart. And I'm also going to guess that every version will be more expensive than its Mustang counterpart as well. My last guess is that they are going to neuter or detune the LT1 to around 440 HP as just enough to top the GT. Again all just guesses of mine. As slow as GM is going we won't know any of this until LATE this year.

The frustrating thing is the airflow to the radiator. I don't understand the design committee on this. They know the 2014-'15 had severe issues, from not redesigning the ZL1 and keeping the '12-'13 fascia to the Flo-Tie to increase the airflow by like 3 cubic meters of extra air and 2 degrees cooler.

COME ON!!!! The 2017 Camaro has an even smaller grill area!

Here is the '17 with an overgrown mail slot. The Camaro is shedding it's openings like shark teeth. Next it will just be the lower opening and it will resemble a 3rd/4th Gen again.

Now compare that to this flying z28's opening... and it was lacking as is...

Don't get me wrong, I think the Flow-Tie is awesome. Maybe a similar Running Mustang design would help... I don't know. The Mustang had some cooling issues before and it had a large opening, many dropped the mesh.

The '17 Camaro would need another Mohawk type heat extractor like the ZL1 and z28 had. This C7 shows a perfect example of how airflow is pulled in from the lower grill. Also keep in mind, these Corvettes are running hot under pressure. The Z06 is having a hell of a time with heat too. I think air must flow through the exchanger, condenser then the radiator which causes heat build up rather quickly. The 6th Gen will have similar issues... especially with inadequate heat extractors on the hood.

On the 2014 ZL1...

The 2014 Camaro ZL1 is available in coupe and convertible models. Each wears a new rear fascia and taillights, like other 2014 Camaros, while retaining the purposeful front fascia developed for the unique airflow requirements for engine cooling, brake cooling and aerodynamic downforce.

Maintaining the look of the current 2013 model up front has a lot to do with the aerodynamic and cooling properties of the ZL1. It could have been that the new front clip just didn’t provide the proper amount of cooling and/or downforce the ZL1 needs that allowed it to lap the Nürburgring in a blistering seven minutes and 41 seconds.

 

[Free Agent]

The frustrating thing is the airflow to the radiator. I don't understand the design committee on this. They know the 2014-'15 had severe issues, from not redesigning the ZL1 and keeping the '12-'13 fascia to the Flo-Tie to increase the airflow by like 3 cubic meters of extra air and 2 degrees cooler.

COME ON!!!! The 2017 Camaro has an even smaller grill area!

Here is the '17 with an overgrown mail slot. The Camaro is shedding it's openings like shark teeth. Next it will just be the lower opening and it will resemble a 3rd/4th Gen again.

Now compare that to this flying z28's opening... and it was lacking as is...

Don't get me wrong, I think the Flow-Tie is awesome. Maybe a similar Running Mustang design would help... I don't know. The Mustang had some cooling issues before and it had a large opening, many dropped the mesh.


On the 2014 ZL1...

I find it fitting that you say 2017 Camaro. (Released in early 2016) I think this could very well be the case with how slow and tight lipped GM is going right now. From the sound of it they will still be building 2015's all the way out until late September if rumors I see on other sites are to be correct.

 

[thePill]

I find it fitting that you say 2017 Camaro. (Released in early 2016) I think this could very well be the case with how slow and tight lipped GM is going right now. From the sound of it they will still be building 2015's all the way out until late September if rumors I see on other sites are to be correct.

LOL!!

If you look back, I have been saying 2017 for a long, long time.

I think MY15 will be a long one, just as long as MY10 was (16 months). I will laugh my ass off if they miss a model year.

 

[Free Agent]

LOL!!

If you look back, I have been saying 2017 for a long, long time.

I think MY15 will be a long one, just as long as MY10 was (16 months). I will laugh my ass off if they miss a model year.

I could see them still calling it a 2016 model even if it rolled out in January or February of next year just to avoid that embarrassment.

Whatever the case they are really dragging their feet for some reason or another. That makes me think something is up. I know what it was like for us waiting last year on the Mustang and it was ahead of the current Camaro at this stage. The Bowtie Boys must be pulling their hair out.

 

[thePill]

WHOOPS!!!

Put the damn fuel door on the proper side!!!!

 

[Free Agent]

WHOOPS!!!

Put the damn fuel door on the proper side!!!!

Kinda reminds me of when we saw a small set of the same stampings of the Mustang pop up last year.

This could always be one of those "planned leaks". They have been clamoring for any scrap of info over at Camaro6 and with the recent no show at Chicago they are growing even more frantic for any bit of news.

 

[thePill]

Kinda reminds me of when we saw a small set of the same stampings of the Mustang pop up last year.

This could always be one of those "planned leaks". They have been clamoring for any scrap of info over at Camaro6 and with the recent no show at Chicago they are growing even more frantic for any bit of news.

Yeah, if you notice below, JD Babbit's original post has "Camaro6" already branded on it. That usually doesn't happen naturally.

So how long? 6-8 months? for a reveal... 12 or so for OK to Sell?

 

[Free Agent]

Hey some of them over at Camaro6 think you are leaking these Pill. ;)

Needless to say your image looks nothing like the image of this Babbit fellow. I don't post over there but I like to lurk and read the angst.

And if that is the gas filler door hole, it is one of the smallest ones I've ever seen, unless it is the angle the shot is taken at. I'm still betting on a "planned leak" through this guy. With NDA abounding from automakers this stuff gets harder and harder to truly leak out.

Or maybe they are just casting some extra holes in the body to reduce weight. ;)

 

[thePill]

No, not me...

He sounds I'll-tempered... that's a start...

Originally Posted by JD Babbitt
Hahahah hahahahaha Heres a fact. GM had to move the car to Lansing. In order to make money on it, they had to make it work on the same chassis platform as the other cars on the line, the Cadillac ATS. Therefore this is just a mod or a port over if you will, of the Camaro body on the ATS chassis. The fact GM is calling this the 6th gen is a joke. You thinking it can compete in anyway with the new Mustang is a joke. Ford redesigns cars to be better, faster, more efficient. GM redesigns cars to make them cheap and profitable. Again L

Sound like he recognizes some of my common gripes. It is a bad thing to base a car off a sedan like this. It may be in for an unusual weight gain to be sturdy with an optimal wheelbase.

 

[Free Agent]

No, not me...

He sounds I'll-tempered... that's a start...



Sound like he recognizes some of my common gripes. It is a bad thing to base a car off a sedan like this. It may be in for an unusual weight gain to be sturdy with an optimal wheelbase.

I think a lot of GM/Chevy/Camaro fans are going to be disappointed on the weight of the V8 (SS) version. Just my gut feeling.

 

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Apparently a bunch of folks over at Camaro6 at first refuse to believe these were next generation Camaro stampings and more in fact 2015 Mustang panels lol

unless they have a very substantial midgeneration change the basic design for the Camaro will be over 15 years old by the time its retired

 

[thePill]

I think it is a very bad move sales wise. I also have a very bad feeling the Camaro will be heavier than the ATS-V. The Camaro will be much wider and forced to support convertible and Hi-Po models.

The gentleman seems to be in an uproar about the chassis being shared. There is a long list of compromise associated with shared platforms, especially when your 3rd in line. I don't really think it will be any more significant than the 5th Gen was during it's time. This platform was designed to be an ATS, everything after that was weight gain.

The Camaro has a decent amount of extra mass in just the panels. I am sure the platform picked up weight too.

Here is an ATS-V at Nurburgring...

An LT1 Camaro...

It looks about 20-30% larger than the ATS-V. That usually doesn't translate well in poundage. The roof and hood area especially looks much larger as well as the A-Pillar up.

...and the doors, sail panels, hips, rear overhang appears longer. Side glass looks smaller in the Camaro...

 

[thePill]

Honestly, at this point with the way Chevy is going, I'd find it hilarious if the Challenger refresh comes out right after the Camaro 6G and it turns into a Ford v Dodge war and they give up production again until they can get their act together.

Not sharing the Caddy twin's grill area will be a big mistake.

The CTS and 6th Gen are designed somewhat similar. The hood and fascia are separated where the ATS is more like the Mustang.

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