2015 V6 Engine Blown @ 13k

[BLK2015V6]

Magnusson moss act. They have to prove the performance or aftermarket parts caused it which they can not because those things will not cause that. Not to mentionif the dealership puts a mod on for you they must put it in writting if it will void the warranty and you must then sign it. Were the mods on the car at time of oil change? If so they had to go through that void warranty paperwork if not its on them and they cannot just void your warranty. I have tons of mods and the dealership has done all of them except for the cai and the coil packs which are diy for any person. My veh is still under warranty per dealershipand it has been in for work several times.

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[2015 Silver GT]

Magnusson moss act. They have to prove the performance or aftermarket parts caused it which they can not because those things will not cause that. Not to mentionif the dealership puts a mod on for you they must put it in writting if it will void the warranty and you must then sign it. Were the mods on the car at time of oil change? If so they had to go through that void warranty paperwork if not its on them and they cannot just void your warranty.

The MM Act is for service items like spark plugs and oil filters. Not for changing parameters outside of how the car was built. They don't have to prove anything as evidenced by the many guys being denied their warranties. So yes they can just deny warranty and then it's up to the individual to fight them on it.

 

[BLK2015V6]

The MM Act is for service items like spark plugs and oil filters. Not for changing parameters outside of how the car was built. They don't have to prove anything as evidenced by the many guys being denied their warranties. So yes they can just deny warranty and then it's up to the individual to fight them on it.

According to my attorny it does. And they can not void an entire warranty over two parts like that they do not contribute to engine failures. They actually increase reliability and life. I have family that works for ford and they tell me they have never ever heard of a known company who makes a cai that causes an engine failure. Thats 25 plus years of experience each. You may then ask well why doesnt ford use those parts then as stock parts. Because it is not motorcraft brand which is ford made parts. They dont send thise out as full performance cars they send them out as bare working cars to leave the consumer the ability to add small modifications like cai's. Not gonna argue with you but I am going off of an attorneys word that has dealt with this before and won on cars with minor mods

 

[Blk2015GT]

Realize that the MM Act was enacted to allow people to get service at their own mechanics and oil changes and such with non-manufacturer parts (rotors, brake pads, oil, oil filters, air filters, etc). NOT to start slapping mods that alter the systems and then claim MM ACT MM ACT!!! A CAI alters the way the system works as it's more airflow by far than OEM. The engine blows it's a fair easy thing to show air fuel was taken way off.

Also you as the consumer bringing the lawsuit are the plaintiff and carry the legal burden to prove your case; that the mod DID NOT cause the failure.

Have $10-20k handy for an attorney and experts? And I guarantee the dealership has more cash to blow on a fight than you do. You'll end up spending more fighting that fixing the affected system out of pocket.

Source?

<-- lawyer.

 

[Metaflame]

Realize that the MM Act was enacted to allow people to get service at their own mechanics and oil changes and such with non-manufacturer parts (rotors, brake pads, oil, oil filters, air filters, etc). NOT to start slapping mods that alter the systems and then claim MM ACT MM ACT!!! A CAI alters the way the system works as it's more airflow by far than OEM. The engine blows it's a fair easy thing to show air fuel was taken way off.

Also you as the consumer bringing the lawsuit are the plaintiff and carry the legal burden to prove your case; that the mod DID NOT cause the failure.

Have $10-20k handy for an attorney and experts? And I guarantee the dealership has more cash to blow on a fight than you do. You'll end up spending more fighting that fixing the affected system out of pocket.

Source?

<-- lawyer.

What are you talking about?

"The engine blows it's a fair easy thing to show air fuel was taken way off."

Keep at your job and dont discuss cars I would say.

The air and fuel ratio is determined by the ECU.

 

[BLK2015V6]

Realize that the MM Act was enacted to allow people to get service at their own mechanics and oil changes and such with non-manufacturer parts (rotors, brake pads, oil, oil filters, air filters, etc). NOT to start slapping mods that alter the systems and then claim MM ACT MM ACT!!! A CAI alters the way the system works as it's more airflow by far than OEM. The engine blows it's a fair easy thing to show air fuel was taken way off.

Also you as the consumer bringing the lawsuit are the plaintiff and carry the legal burden to prove your case; that the mod DID NOT cause the failure.

Have $10-20k handy for an attorney and experts? And I guarantee the dealership has more cash to blow on a fight than you do. You'll end up spending more fighting that fixing the affected system out of pocket.

Source?

<-- lawyer.

Not going to throw a lawyers name out on a site but he is well known in my city. As for proving it that is easy. Cai do nothing more than allow more air. Doesnt alter systems other than maybe minut. As for my dealership they assured me in writting my veh with my mods is under warranty. And you can see my mods list. They did however tell me the parts themselves obviously would not be covered by ford warranty. They told me that as long as the dealership does the mods the veh keeps its warranty. Ford wouldnt just pull a warranty for simple bolt ons like that. That would make them look bad and no one that wants to do some simple mods would ever buy and they know that. They have to allow some customization for people like us not to mention it is the American sports car so they expect some simple bolt ons that the everyday consumer can put on. If you can prove to me that a cai causes damage to an engine im all ears as that would be a first. Same with an axle back exhaust which is nothing more than straight through mufflers.

 

[FordTechOne]

Not going to throw a lawyers name out on a site but he is well known in my city. As for proving it that is easy. Cai do nothing more than allow more air. Doesnt alter systems other than maybe minut. As for my dealership they assured me in writting my veh with my mods is under warranty. And you can see my mods list. They did however tell me the parts themselves obviously would not be covered by ford warranty. They told me that as long as the dealership does the mods the veh keeps its warranty. Ford wouldnt just pull a warranty for simple bolt ons like that. That would make them look bad and no one that wants to do some simple mods would ever buy and they know that. They have to allow some customization for people like us not to mention it is the American sports car so they expect some simple bolt ons that the everyday consumer can put on. If you can prove to me that a cai causes damage to an engine im all ears as that would be a first. Same with an axle back exhaust which is nothing more than straight through mufflers.

The bottom line is that it's very uncommon for an engine warranty to be voided by a Cold Air Intake. However, if the manufacturer has an indication that the CAI resulted in the failure, it is entirely possible and legitimate for the manufacturer to void the engine warranty over the modification.

Your lawyer friend has no idea what he's talking about (just like them rest of them), and you obviously don't understand the the complexity of engine management systems on new vehicles.

The entire factory calibration is built off of the factory components. When the air/fuel tables are created, Mass Air Flow (MAF) readings are one of the major inputs to determine the proper A/F ratio at any given time. When you install an aftermarket air intake, you are changing the amount of airflow at any given RPM and you are changing the path of the airflow at all times. This can result in turbulence across the MAF, which skews the readings. When the readings become skewed, this then directly affects the A/F ratio. The incorrect A/F ratio will result in the engine running too rich or too lean, which can cause various types of component failures. This is especially problematic in open loop operation, when the PCM is not referencing the values from the primary oxygen sensors.

All the manufacturer needs to do is review the fuel trims (Short Term & Long Term) in the PCM to show that your modification skewed the fuel trims and resulted in the failure.

As far as your dealership putting in writing that your mods won't void your warranty, that means absolutely nothing. The dealership is required to follow the warranty guidelines set by the manufacturer. It's called the Warranty & Policy Manual. Dealers cannot re-write the warranty guidelines. If you experience an engine failure and the manufacturer sends out a rep to inspect your vehicle, your warranty will be void. It doesn't matter what the dealer says. The only thing you could do it try and get the dealer to cover the out-of-pocket cost since they indicated to you that your mods would not void your warranty, however I highly doubt they'd follow through.

 

[BLK2015V6]

Which is why you get it tuned. My cai maybe changed the afr .1-.2 of a change which is nothing. It doesnt have to be 14.7 (which it wasnt anyways since i got it stock) it was at 14.5. Which is no big deal. Mine has been tuned to run at 14.7-14.8. Which is where mine currently runs at. No knocking, nothing. Seems to me he got a bad engine from the getgo. I had all those mods when my cylinder head went porus after 4500 miles total which ford happily replaced under warranty with no hesitation and did not say anything against my mods.

 

[BLK2015V6]

If that is the case that simple mods like that void a warranty they are required to tell you that as they have not told me that and I would not know that something simple like that would void a warranty. If i call and find out that to be true from Ford im going to be putting my veh back to stock asap as I did not know that putting a bolt on, on the car would ruin an entire warranty.

 

[FordTechOne]

If that is the case that simple mods like that void a warranty they are required to tell you that as they have not told me that and I would not know that something simple like that would void a warranty. If i call and find out that to be true from Ford im going to be putting my veh back to stock asap as I did not know that putting a bolt on, on the car would ruin an entire warranty.

The manufacturer isn't required to tell you anything.

It's clearly printed right in your Owner's Manual:

"We design and build our vehicles for our
customers to drive as delivered from the
factory. The Ford Warranty Guide
discusses vehicle use and the installation
of aftermarket parts and their effect on
warranty coverage. See the Ford Warranty
Guide for complete information."

When you reference the Warranty Guide (also included with your vehicle), the following is stated:

WHAT IS NOT COVERED UNDER THE NEW VEHICLE LIMITED
WARRANTY?

Damage Caused By:
• accidents, collision or objects striking the vehicle (including driving
through a car wash)
• theft, vandalism, or riot
• fire or explosion
• using contaminated or improper fuel/fluids
• customer-applied chemicals or accidental spills
• driving through water deep enough to cause water to be ingested into
the engine
• misuse of the vehicle, such a driving over curbs, overloading, racing or
using the vehicle as a permanent stationary power source
Damage Caused by Alteration or Modification
The New Vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover any damage caused by:
• alterations or modifications of the vehicle, including the body, chassis, or
components, after the vehicle leaves the control of Ford Motor Company
• tampering with the vehicle, tampering with the emissions systems or
with the other parts that affect these systems (for example, but not
limited to exhaust and intake systems)
• the installation or use of a non-Ford Motor Company part (other than
a certified emissions part) or any part (Ford or non-Ford) designed
for off-road use only installed after the vehicle leaves the control of
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Ford Motor Company, if the installed part fails or causes a Ford part
to fail. Examples include, but are not limited to lift kits, oversized
tires, roll bars, cellular phones, alarm systems, automatic starting
systems and performance-enhancing powertrain components or
software and performance ‘‘chips’’

 

[FordTechOne]

Which is why you get it tuned. My cai maybe changed the afr .1-.2 of a change which is nothing. It doesnt have to be 14.7 (which it wasnt anyways since i got it stock) it was at 14.5. Which is no big deal. Mine has been tuned to run at 14.7-14.8. Which is where mine currently runs at. No knocking, nothing. Seems to me he got a bad engine from the getgo. I had all those mods when my cylinder head went porus after 4500 miles total which ford happily replaced under warranty with no hesitation and did not say anything against my mods.

It sounds like your dealer is very reasonable. As you know, modifications would never cause a porous cylinder head. So the dealer made the right call by taking care of that for you, no questions asked.

The problem is that if your vehicle experiences an engine failure while in warranty that cannot be directly attributed to a component or manufacturing defect, chances are the manufacturer won't cover it due to your tune and mods. Which of course is understandable, that's just how it works.

Plenty of people mod their vehicles without issues, and the chances of a failure are extremely slim. However, it's important to know what may or may not be covered should an issue occur

 

[paul123]

I can sort of see both sides, but inclined to sympathize with Ford and their warranty policies. They design cars to minimize warranty repairs (in theory), and performance mods can easily run counter to this goal.

Now whether a minor mod like a CAI makes much difference may be open to debate, but I think this gets into the territory of "You May Beat the Rap, But You Can't Beat The Ride", and fails cost / benefit analysis. Better to just run a stock car slightly harder, if you want more performance. And if wanting the more risky V6/ EB engine tunes and what not, I think its better to take a pass on those and just trade the car for a GT. Unless the car is out of warranty. But power train warranty is 4-5 years away.

 

[BLK2015V6]

I was being sarcastic. Just sad to see Ford cant make a reliable car in this dayin age that can handle simple bolt ons. I have modded many vehicles much heavier than this with stock internals and no issues at all. It is a sports car for hevens sake it should be built stringer and with "performance" in mind. Seems they fell short with the 15-16. Seems they all have issues whether v8, 4cyl or v6.

The manufacturer isn't required to tell you anything.

It's clearly printed right in your Owner's Manual:

"We design and build our vehicles for our
customers to drive as delivered from the
factory. The Ford Warranty Guide
discusses vehicle use and the installation
of aftermarket parts and their effect on
warranty coverage. See the Ford Warranty
Guide for complete information."

When you reference the Warranty Guide (also included with your vehicle), the following is stated:

WHAT IS NOT COVERED UNDER THE NEW VEHICLE LIMITED
WARRANTY?

Damage Caused By:
• accidents, collision or objects striking the vehicle (including driving
through a car wash)
• theft, vandalism, or riot
• fire or explosion
• using contaminated or improper fuel/fluids
• customer-applied chemicals or accidental spills
• driving through water deep enough to cause water to be ingested into
the engine
• misuse of the vehicle, such a driving over curbs, overloading, racing or
using the vehicle as a permanent stationary power source
Damage Caused by Alteration or Modification
The New Vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover any damage caused by:
• alterations or modifications of the vehicle, including the body, chassis, or
components, after the vehicle leaves the control of Ford Motor Company
• tampering with the vehicle, tampering with the emissions systems or
with the other parts that affect these systems (for example, but not
limited to exhaust and intake systems)
• the installation or use of a non-Ford Motor Company part (other than
a certified emissions part) or any part (Ford or non-Ford) designed
for off-road use only installed after the vehicle leaves the control of
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Ford Motor Company, if the installed part fails or causes a Ford part
to fail. Examples include, but are not limited to lift kits, oversized
tires, roll bars, cellular phones, alarm systems, automatic starting
systems and performance-enhancing powertrain components or
software and performance ‘‘chips’’

 

[BLK2015V6]

I can barely afford my v6 let alone a v8. Trust me if i could afford a v8 myself i would have. Wanted a mustang to enjoy and mod but seems that was a waste. Ford seems to care less about the people that can only afford base models and only does things for the GT crowd. Very sad

I can sort of see both sides, but inclined to sympathize with Ford and their warranty policies. They design cars to minimize warranty repairs (in theory), and performance mods can easily run counter to this goal.

Now whether a minor mod like a CAI makes much difference may be open to debate, but I think this gets into the territory of "You May Beat the Rap, But You Can't Beat The Ride", and fails cost / benefit analysis. Better to just run a stock car slightly harder, if you want more performance. And if wanting the more risky V6/ EB engine tunes and what not, I think its better to take a pass on those and just trade the car for a GT. Unless the car is out of warranty. But power train warranty is 4-5 years away.

 

[paul123]

I was being sarcastic. Just sad to see Ford cant make a reliable car in this dayin age that can handle simple bolt ons. I have modded many vehicles much heavier than this with stock internals and no issues at all. It is a sports car for hevens sake it should be built stringer and with "performance" in mind. Seems they fell short with the 15-16. Seems they all have issues whether v8, 4cyl or v6.

the 2011+ engines any better than the 15-16?

The 2011+ engines made a quantum leap in HP / Liter, at the cost of complexity. DOHC VVT , etc

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