2015 Mustang EPA DATA!!!! for most models.... UPDATE 2 ALL MODELS

[kulfyur]

I feel like we're all kind of not seeing the forest for the trees.

Ran a quick calc based on $3.50/gal, 5 years, and 15K miles per year. Only counting acquisition costs and fuel cost; after 5 years the EB is over $800 cheaper. The V6 is only for someone (some organization, i.e. Hetz) not paying for the gas and not owning the car very long.

You only considered one fuel price. If you're truly going to make that comparison you should do it at the fuel recommendation of the manufacturer because that's likely to the be the EPA test equivalent. Best Rates in my area are 3.02 for reg, 3.38 premium. Using that, comparing transmission to transmission, and the entry level cost for the base v6 and the base i4, the ecoboost will be $534.29 more expensive in that 5 year time, 15k miles a year. And that's using the 26mpg vs 21 mpg. The gap would be even greater if It were 28 vs 31. So expect your 534.29 to be just to get the higher low-end torque. Don't yourself as it's the same but better... you're paying for it.

But again, I don't think we're looking at it right. We've established that the v6 this year is scaled back to make the ecoboost more appealing. So to me, unless you just want the new body style or IRS, the ecoboost needs to be compared to the current v6 to consider it's "value":

The '14 v6 can still be had new for $3085 less than the ecoboost. After 5 years the net cost will be $2539.55. Again this is using the combined mileage not the hwy. Highway here will, like the other have a bigger gap in the cost. 305hp vs 310hp. 280lb-ft vs 320lb-ft. Then you have to consider reliability of that new engine (i don't know much about engines but it seems like most people here can be paraphrased as "forced induction burns up your engine faster than natural aspiration".​

These are the items that you're paying for. +$2539.55 for IRS, new body, a few new standard features like push to start, 5 hp, and 40lb-ft. Or +$534.29 for "10" hp, and 40lb-ft (if you made up your mind to buy the new body style any way)

Don't feed the Ford Troll and believe your getting anything more. You're paying for everything you're getting. If you're ok with these numbers and such more power to you my friend enjoy your new ride.

Me personally, I'm very disappointed with both the ecoboost and the V6 and, overall, the launch of this model. If I hadn't made up my mind I was going to get an LE, I probably wouldn't buy this year's car. I'd likely settle for the '13/'14. Every number so far for me has been pretty lack luster, not complete garbage but VERY lack luster with the v6 and i4 being as close to "garbage" for me skimming by just a hair. But nothing has made me go "Shut up and take my money!" lol

Quick side note: I'm not critisizing ANYONE'S decision. Just my thoughts on this launch.

TL;DR
Don't think your getting a great value for one car over another here. You're paying for everything you get one way or another, and personally, i don't think it's worth it. The '14 v6 is more likely to sell to me than the lower '15 v6 or i4.

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[Sal JC]

But What you're failing to grasp is your MPG will also drop with lower octane...you're saving near pennies in the end

Premium costs 40cent/gal more here, that's $6.40 more per tank so 16 gals of prem. is the same price as 17.75 gals of reg.
You would have to get 2.5 mpg better on prem just to brake even, there's no way it would get even close to that. It's also my DD so that would add up quick.

 

[Merle]

My first Post, I am 71 years old and my 2013 V6 Auto is my 7th Mustang
and It is the fastest of all even my 97 Cobra. This V6 always gets 33+
on road trips with cruise and a steady foot. I just returned from Dallas
and put 1375 miles on that trip. My first check at 175 miles was 35.9 MPG.
That is the Best I have gotten. I had just put in Mobil 1 and filled up with
87 gas from a new Casey's General Store here. I have found that tanks
at stations have about 20% ethanol and 5% water. HA! It's true.
To sum up Ford makes some great cars today and I have owned ONLY
Fords since Aug. 1960. Disclaimer- YOUR MILAGE MAY DIFFER than
what the car makers say to expect and the EPA LIES.

Thank You and ENJOY YOUR MUSTANGS.
P.S. I hate the rear of the 15. Wish I could cut off the rear of my 13
and weld it on the 15. I will tell you in the future the other 15 things
I don't like about the 15. BUT you don't want an old fart like me to
tell you now. Just wait till you can see the car in person. Sometimes
a car will look better in person than Pictures.

 

[geokots]

I feel like we're all kind of not seeing the forest for the trees.



You only considered one fuel price. If you're truly going to make that comparison you should do it at the fuel recommendation of the manufacturer because that's likely to the be the EPA test equivalent. Best Rates in my area are 3.02 for reg, 3.38 premium. Using that, comparing transmission to transmission, and the entry level cost for the base v6 and the base i4, the ecoboost will be $534.29 more expensive in that 5 year time, 15k miles a year. And that's using the 26mpg vs 21 mpg. The gap would be even greater if It were 28 vs 31. So expect your 534.29 to be just to get the higher low-end torque. Don't yourself as it's the same but better... you're paying for it.

But again, I don't think we're looking at it right. We've established that the v6 this year is scaled back to make the ecoboost more appealing. So to me, unless you just want the new body style or IRS, the ecoboost needs to be compared to the current v6 to consider it's "value":

The '14 v6 can still be had new for $3085 less than the ecoboost. After 5 years the net cost will be $2539.55. Again this is using the combined mileage not the hwy. Highway here will, like the other have a bigger gap in the cost. 305hp vs 310hp. 280lb-ft vs 320lb-ft. Then you have to consider reliability of that new engine (i don't know much about engines but it seems like most people here can be paraphrased as "forced induction burns up your engine faster than natural aspiration".​

These are the items that you're paying for. +$2539.55 for IRS, new body, a few new standard features like push to start, 5 hp, and 40lb-ft. Or +$534.29 for "10" hp, and 40lb-ft (if you made up your mind to buy the new body style any way)

Don't feed the Ford Troll and believe your getting anything more. You're paying for everything you're getting. If you're ok with these numbers and such more power to you my friend enjoy your new ride.

Me personally, I'm very disappointed with both the ecoboost and the V6 and, overall, the launch of this model. If I hadn't made up my mind I was going to get an LE, I probably wouldn't buy this year's car. I'd likely settle for the '13/'14. Every number so far for me has been pretty lack luster, not complete garbage but VERY lack luster with the v6 and i4 being as close to "garbage" for me skimming by just a hair. But nothing has made me go "Shut up and take my money!" lol

Quick side note: I'm not critisizing ANYONE'S decision. Just my thoughts on this launch.

TL;DR
Don't think your getting a great value for one car over another here. You're paying for everything you get one way or another, and personally, i don't think it's worth it. The '14 v6 is more likely to sell to me than the lower '15 v6 or i4.

Thanks for the breakdown. I don't think these are realistic comparison. To the mass market Ford is marketing the EB and the GT. The clearly are leaving the V6 as a fleet vehicle. That's not saying that there isn't a market for the V6, everyone has their priorities.
For me it was the EB because of the 40lb more, the premium package, better tune ability (if I chose to post warranty).
a cost of $534 over 5 years extra (or $8.90/month) is insignificant for most people that can buy any new car. I didn't spend $38K to worry about $9/month when I spend $70/month on coffee

 

[Sal JC]

Yes, only 400 HP. How long until we have 600 HP Camrys that run off of the tears of babies and sausage links?

Here’s your 600hp Camry.. it doesn’t run a sausage links though :thumbdown:

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[kulfyur]

Thanks for the breakdown. I don't think these are realistic comparison. To the mass market Ford is marketing the EB and the GT. The clearly are leaving the V6 as a fleet vehicle. That's not saying that there isn't a market for the V6, everyone has their priorities.
For me it was the EB because of the 40lb more, the premium package, better tune ability (if I chose to post warranty).
a cost of $534 over 5 years extra (or $8.90/month) is insignificant for most people that can buy any new car. I didn't spend $38K to worry about $9/month when I spend $70/month on coffee

Oh yea man without a doubt. But I guess I'm more getting at the perceived value being fluffed up. If you like the new body styles, engine numbers, can afford the price, and are willing to pay it, got for it. Just like the a BMW or Benz or something. But if one is buying a new car and shooting at value and performance that person may want to consider the '14 and ask himself if the '15 is worth the $2500 premium is all.

 

[geokots]

Oh yea man without a doubt. But I guess I'm more getting at the perceived value being fluffed up. If you like the new body styles, engine numbers, can afford the price, and are willing to pay it, got for it. Just like the a BMW or Benz or something. But if one is buying a new car and shooting at value and performance that person may want to consider the '14 and ask himself if the '15 is worth the $2500 premium is all.

Today the 14 is a great "value" for some people depending on what they want/need.
That said, companies do not set value, consumers do and it's all up to the individual.

 

[souprmage]

Time will tell if premium is going to get better fuel mileage, and I'm sure those that say it does are probably right.

However, what I don't understand is why does the owner manual says it recommends regular unleaded 87 octane, if mileage and performance are better with more octane? Is it simply to not scare people away?

What I know about fuel is that octane is a non-burning component of fuel, and it's used to help keep the burning of fuel orderly. I also know that as you increase compression in an engine, you're more likely to induce chaotic burning of the vapor and thus induce detonation. Adding octane helps prevent fuel from premature ignition from heat and pressure alone (aka a diesel engine).

I also know that as the octane goes up, the energy capacity of fuel goes down since there's less combustible material. The goal then is to keep at optimal timing with the least amount of octane possible.

So then, it seem some people have knowledge that says without 93 octane, you'll never get optimal timing. Which is unfortunate, since the best I can buy at the pump here is 91. Although that may be one and the same since there's a couple different ways to calculate octane from what I gather.

Fortunately, Premium is only $0.20 more here per gallon.

I do look forward to testing this though as it doesn't appear I'll do any harm to the engine regardless of which fuel I use.

 

[ShoNuff]

. . .

I do look forward to testing this though as it doesn't appear I'll do any harm to the engine regardless of which fuel I use.

Is there any re-tuning that needs to be done to timing when going back and forth between 87, 91, or 93?

 

[souprmage]

Is there any re-tuning that needs to be done to timing when going back and forth between 87, 91, or 93?

It's all controlled by sensors and computers automagically. So no. That's the joy of modern fuel injection.

 

[ShoNuff]

...automagically...

lol - thanks.

 

[Old 5 Oh]

Here's how this gets spun in the mainstream press:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/08/21/2015-ford-mustang-uses-more-fuel/14404253/

"Gas Mileage Falls for New, Heavier Mustang"

PR like that is not helping, Ford.

 

[Seabee1973]

Using the higher octane vs lowest... always go recommended... the cost difference is minimal when compared to in the long run and also factor in your drive habits... higher octane can be beneficial.over std 87 whereas you will get even worse mpg doing so using 87.. I've done it a few times in the truck but filling up to 20 to 24 gal of midgrade to premium... that adds up and there is no significant gain especially in the 5.4 with twice the weight and also only 330hp

 

[Sal JC]

The owners manual recommends 87 for all three engine. The only place it mentions premium is on the 2.3 for severe duty usage such as pulling a trailer.

 

[souprmage]

The owners manual recommends 87 for all three engine. The only place it mentions premium is on the 2.3 and V8 for severe duty usage such as pulling a trailer.

FTFY

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