2014 Z28 Assault Thread.

[PowerUp]

The BOSS LS has been known to beat the GT 500 on a course or two, with a HUGE power-to-weight disadvantage. RIGHT? What's so dishonest about a Z/28, as equipped, outrunning a ZL1?! Their power-to-weight is within a 1/2 pound per horse. The GT 500 is over 3 lb/hp LESS. Shows just how damned difficult the GT 500 is to drive near 10/10ths, that's all. Even Pobst suggested THAT!

What is the official sanctioning body for Mulholland Drive? THAT'S the "rules" the Z/28 plays by. It has a VIN, is EPA-compliant, is road-insurable. And the track is this-a-way.

HPDE events don't care about CC brakes, or 7.0L engines, or 7.60 lb/hp. "Pay your fees, have your fun, wear a helmet, do up the belts, and go at it!" Preferably with a perma-grin.

Got it?

BTW, all would be forgotten of GM's unsavory acts if Oppie's design was utilized...REALLY?!

Good night. And good luck.

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[BaylorCorvette]

HPDE events don't care about CC brakes, or 7.0L engines, or 7.60 lb/hp. "Pay your fees, have your fun, wear a helmet, do up the belts, and go at it!" Preferably with a perma-grin.

Ding Ding Ding.

My uncle used to race Porsche's. He had a GT3RS that was absolutely insane and I highly doubt it could race in sanctioned SCCA events, etc. But he didn't care, he just did HPDE events with other Porsche's, Corvette's, etc.

 

[bballr4567]

It all boils down to the fact that one persons opinion of road racing varies from another. Its down right silly to discredit the Z/28 just because it doesnt fit your definition and that is what is happening here. If GM is using smoke and mirrors than someone is using fog and glass.


IDK, just came up with that. lol

 

[BaylorCorvette]

IDK, just came up with that. lol

:lol:

 

[Tempus]

Shocked thePill hasn't posted this here yet.

Shelby GT500 laps Nürburgring in under 7:40?

A couple of weeks ago we brought you footage and official times of the new Chevy Camaro Z/28 lapping the Nürburgring. With a 7:37.47 lap time, the Z/28 emerged as the fastest muscle car ever to lap the circuit. But what was missing from that picture was how fast the king of all Mustangs, the Shelby GT500, could manage to lap the Nordschleife.

Ford never released any information or footage of the GT500 on the Nürburgring that we were aware of – that is, until the guys at SVTPerformance.com put in a request for Mustang videos. Among the clips they received was never-seen, in-car footage of the Shelby GT500 lapping the circuit. And boy did it hustle.

Although not quite official, the video seems to show the GT500 lapped the venerated German track in a touch under 7:40. That would make it a tick or two faster than the Camaro ZL1 – but what of the Z/28? By Chevy's quoted time, the Z/28 is still faster than the GT500, but SVTPerformance suggests GM may have fudged the numbers a bit and scrubbed half a second or so off their lap time.

As the forum's administrator SID297 admits, judging lap times from video footage is not an exact science, so we'll leave final judgement up to you, the viewing public. But any way you slice it, these are some epically fast muscle cars. Check out the footage below to see for yourself.

 

[BaylorCorvette]

Sure does look like the GT500 bests the ZL1. What I'm disappointed is that we don't have a timer on the video along with indicated MPH of the GT500. You can see that in the beginning the ZL1 is marginally fast than the GT500 due to the technical turns and lack of straights where the GT500 can really open up. However at the end with the long straight the GT500 more than makes up for it.

 

[JohnZiraldo]

Also on Autoblog
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/30/shelby-gt500-nurburgring-video/#continued

 

[thePill]

(Thanks for posting!!!, again, I have been super busy doing fab work) WOW!!! I didn't ever think those would get released... It looks like the blue GT500 (the slower one when I was there) eventually went faster then the '12 ZL1. I seen a 7:43 from "Blue", the Gt500 we called "Red" was probably intended on being the "R" package GT500/GT500KR that was never made (because they had already bested the ZL1). That big ol' solid axle Mustang was a 7:30 car, probably sub- 7:30. Remember those who doubted me? Laugh now ya' knuckleheads...

Does anybody know why Ford would let those videos finally slip?

Could have something to do with Team Camaro's perversion of lap times recently. Another possibility would be the way Team Camaro kinda dogged some numbers... Deserving if you ask me...

Edit: This is not the same car I seen, the one we called "BB" (Black and Blue) was the 7:40 car. This is the GT500 in that video...

This is BB... "The 7:40 car"

This is Red, possibly the GT500KR that wasn't needed. I believe this is the 200mph car too but I could be wrong.

It was real quiet over at Camaro5 recently... Gonna be real quiet now...

I guess thePill isn't crazy after all... I know you guys are grindin' your teeth but I am loving every minute of this...

Here is my original post waaaaaaaaay back in June 2011. http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/in...0-going-to-get-another-cooling-upgrade/page-2

Long time reader and first time poster. I am currently stationed in Kaiserslauthern, Germany and was informed on Tuesday that there was a new GT500 testing at Nurburgring. I went up on Wednesday and Thursday to check it out. There were quite a few club members there and they were clocking both cars throughout the week. You could not get near the vehicles (not that I would try) and no questions were answered. It rained Monday, Tuesday and some on Wednesday and was cool and clear the rest of the week (about 65-72). I could not hear a supercharger or a turbo but I was not very close to the actual track and exhaust was pretty decent (and tire noise). Club members here clocked the red GT500 around a best of 7:30 and the black one around 7:40. There were two passengers most of the time with the occasional driver only run. The cars would do 2-3 laps of 8 minute laps and then move to a 7:XX lap so it seems heat soak was being looked at as well. It was said that Karl Gieger was there personally but I don't know if anybody from the US has heard of him. The traffic was pretty low when I went up on Wednesday and Thursday and I was told that the it was that way pretty much all week. Both cars would do 2-3 laps, sometimes running together, sometimes one at a time and then they would disappear for 30 minutes. There were a series of 10 minute laps (which is slow) and as I said, multiple time keepers clocked the cars mid 7 minutes at their best under very good weather and traffic. This is all I know, I have iPhone video of some turns but it really sucks and the audio was crappy so I didn't keep them, the group I was in picked a location way too far from the track IMO. We were told that there would be photos and video online later this month so I didn't care about the video. I was surprised when I checked the internet late Thursday night and found it posted already.

Anyway, I thought the lap times would be interesting at least, I am trying to circulate this info as much as possible. I was also told that a local guy ran his Boss 302 LS at a 7:45-7:49 which is right on par with the BMW M3 GTS and the Audi R8 V10 but this, along with everything else I was told is all hearsay. I did however, confirm a 7:35 from the red GT500 and a 7:43 from the black car via a club members stop watch so... I can see a 7:30 and a 7:40 from these cars. There was speculation about the Red GT500 being a Nurburgring edition and the other being a future production GT500 SVTPP. There was speculation that maybe one was a manual and one was an auto and that one was a 2012 and the red one was a 2013.... either way, they were both very fast and ran most of the day for most of the week...

Hope this helps...

...and they thought I was just another crazy internet guy.... Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

At least the Blue GT500 was a '13 bodied car, Red and BB were '10-'12 bodied. It has a cage so that is a HUGE help, the equipment was OEM (other than seats). I believe this run was done around the 48th Birthday. The picture above was released on the Mustang's 48th Birthday...

 

[JohnZiraldo]

Mr. Pill,
You may be interested to see the commentators on Autoblog taking your name in vane.

 

[thePill]

Not only does this prove the GT500 is just as fast as the ZL1 (If we didn't know that already), the clever people at SVTP found Team Camaro fudging the numbers in NUrburgring. CAUGHT CHEATING AGAIN... Motor Trend, pick up your phone dammit!!!

http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...-shelby-gt500-mustang-takes-nuerburgring.html

I seen that guy, an idiot that invested way too much time on Camaro5. Slammed back into reality... I imagine it would be difficult trying to explain fire to a caveman, they just have to see it...

HEY CAMARO5!!! REINSTATE ME!! I would like to share what I think of this run compared to the two Z's...

 

[thePill]

Here is the spy pic of the actual, finished 2013 GT500 (same Deep Impact with Black Stripes) that is in the video. It was done on the Mustang's 48th Birthday, April 17th, 2012. This video was not a response to the z28, it was just done just to do. http://rumors.automobilemag.com/sna...r-a-nurburgring-run-126213.html#axzz2jFKOtCvs

What does that say about a cpmpany that doesn't let slip details that would completely undermine the ZL1 in 2012... Instead, save that info to really do damage to the Camaro's credibility and reputation. This makes the "Boss is faster" statement really look dumb. It also really shows how much sandbagging Team Camaro has done in order to make the Camaro lineup APPEAR faster than the Mustang's on a road course.

If I was a Camaro fan that was force fed sh!t for 3 years to find out they just flat out sold me a car based on fictional numbers... I WOULD BE PISSED... RIGHT NOW...

The '13 GT500 could probably handle a 2014 z28 on Nurburgring... I don't care what they want to sell me next... Yeah, a 7:31... Sure, I believe you. Especially after this disgrace to the American automotive industry. It sickens me that Chevy wouldn't even QC the info going out to the customers. False advertising, fudging numbers, running Ringers, Pro drivers, simulations passed as fact, apology letters from the CE... It's just sick.

Lets pretend that the ZL1 can do an advertised 11.9 in the 1/4 mile, we know that just isn't fact. How can we trust lap times from the same source that can't come through on 1/4 mile times. We saw the z28 do a 1:59.66 at Milford, beating the claimed '13 GT500 run of 1.59.9x. That was done on a media tourist lap, coasting, at "8/10ths"... What a bunch of shit...

If you have had your opinion differ from mine in the past on the GT500vs.ZL1 issue, I understand. I can't really blame you for putting your "faith" in a company only to be stabbed in the back. I try, for the most part, to inform as many as possible. Understand that I react to those that want to battle truth with fiction, sometimes I am an amazing smart ass. I hope, and continue to do so that those that spoke ill of me personally would set that aside. Like I said, I can't blame you for being misled, I can only blame the leader, in which in this case would be Team Camaro and Camaro5. I can't blame Chevy or GM because I believe the issue is limited to some ambitious teams that have small budgets and fierce competition (competition like the Mustang).

Team Camaro knew the GT500 was faster than the ZL1 but yet they advertised as is... It is very possible that they know the GT500 is faster than the z28, which is why they are disappointed with the 7:37.

At least be a man (or men), admit defeat...

 

[thePill]

...or try an discredit Nurburgring is another option. Jeez, every time they name the game and Ford beats them, they try and run it down.

Ford didn't release the times likely due to the HUGE ROLL CAGE THEY USED and RACING SEATS. Why try and sell the public shit that isn't true? Oh, because your customers are buying it? Hopefully we learn something here...

Camaro5's Stig is in La' La' Land... Every one is lying, right, I get it... Team Camaro is telling the truth... The clock was added by the Admin, yadda, yadda, yadda...

Team Camaro added the clock to their videos... and I trust SVTP's SID far more than I trust Chevy... Get over it, the GT500 can lay a lap down just as fast as the ZL1.

It is just as fast, maybe faster than the ZL1 on a road course. With some decent driving, it could beat the z28's 7:37... For thousands less...

 

[thePill]

Motor Trend/Automobile and Car and Driver/Road and Track have the story. They should be printing/blogging something in the morning. They also know about Chevy skimping on Ring times and the media blooper at Milford.

Side by side, the GT500 finishes right in between the z28 and ZL1 at Nurburgring. Even considering the minor lap time adjustment Team Camaro awarded their cars.

Suck it up fella's, suck it up all morning... Hopefully the GT500's Nurburgring lap time news takes a back seat to Chevy's fraudulent marketing. I would rather hear about that since the GT500 did that lap 18 months ago.

The z28 is a huge failure in my opinion, not being a highly accepted model for racing, a big MSRP, street-ability losses and now a solid axle GT500 on 295's runs the Ring just as fast as the ZL1 and z28. Any idiot that watches the two side by side and still denies that it is real is retarded... Automobile reported this Nurburgring story on 17 April 2012, the information was never released...

Why not wait for Chevy to Ring the z28 again to prove it isn't a waste... I think I would save my best "official" time for that... The GT350 will be out before that happens though...

 

[bballr4567]

What? No comment about the different start/stop areas for the clocks?

Gotta love that you are HAPPY that a car that has 160 more HP running roughly the same time as something you hate. Hypocritical? Possibly.

The fact is that you are pissed that Ford just relied on pure HP and didn't engineer a vehicle but stuck a big engine in it.

 

[thePill]

What? No comment about the different start/stop areas for the clocks?

Gotta love that you are HAPPY that a car that has 160 more HP running roughly the same time as something you hate. Hypocritical? Possibly.

The fact is that you are pissed that Ford just relied on pure HP and didn't engineer a vehicle but stuck a big engine in it.

I know the z28 stopped it's clock before the finish line... I know the ZL1 started it's clock a little late... I think maybe the confusion is from SID using the actual Nurburgring Start/Finish line to overlay his stop watch. He did run the 3 side by side and I have to say the results are the same. All three cars are capable of similar times at Nurburgring. I was HAPPY about that in June 2011, I have only recently brought it back up... Was I wrong?

This 7:39 run is from April 2012, the results were likely held due to the knowledge of the '13/'14 z28. If you really think about it man, Chevy over laid the numbers onto their video too. It even started and stopped to the Camaro's advantage. I am not happy about that... I love the GT500, it is pretty much the sh!t as far as performance goes. 160 more horsepower is never frowned on, nor is a Trinity 5.8... Or the solid axle that just lapped the Ring like the space suspension Twins...

The fact is, you are pissed that it took Chevy 2 tries to beat the GT500, two tries and now almost 2 years and they still only matched it on the track...


...but got DESTROYED AT THE STRIP!!!

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