Yeah, some pretty crazy stuff happened last week. Nothing that I hadn't warned about almost two years ago but, whatever... Since then, pretty much all talk of Nurburgring has ceased, lap time talk has become rare and talk of z28 in general has become tight lipped... It appears that the 2014 z28 will indeed be close to $70,000... It will be more expensive than an optioned out ZL1 convertible and then some...
First off, he is handing it to the GT500... That is a good start. However, he goes into defense mode and defends Chevy's strange behavior. If the clock Chevy overlaid is out of sync then I would understand but, the video of the z28 starts at the start line BUT ends 1/2 a second early... On the ZL1's run the clock starts late but ends at the finish line. If the clock was out of sync it would have started late, finished late or started early, finished early... Don't cheat me Chevy, I am tired of it. If the data collecting equipment Chevy used was so precise, it would have started and stopped on the start and finish lines like normal testing equipment. Bold they were to just let that video go public but remember what thePill told ya', they were having trouble beating the ZL1's Ring time. They needed a time to publish before bad weather pushed hot laps back till April. It would have been bad for marketing but, was this alternative better? They also published Milford laps at 80% with a media ride along passenger... Still managing to beat the GT500's supposed time THEY got. It's strange only Team Camaro cannot produce a good lap time from the GT500...
Ford was sitting on a great Ring time for the last 18 months, they could very well be sitting on a better one still... How does it make you feel now knowing the GT500 can run a lap just as fast as the ZL1 and z28? Next up, Ford didn't give them a Boss 302... Do you know why that might be? Chevy themselves only sanctioned the 1LE in SCCA T2 where only the 5.0 GT runs. Ford did not tell them to do that... In SCCA T2, the 1LE cannot compete with the Base GT (Not Brembo GT) in which it finished 21st this season and quit half way through... It finished behind 7 5.0 GT's. The 5.0 GT won the SCCA T2 Runoff in it's maiden season... The 1LE finished 16th and 21st... You can't get the Boss until you beat the GT brother... The MSRP is closer to the GT than the Boss 302 as well, the Track Pack GT and 1LE are both between $36-$40,000. The GT dominates the 1LE in it's only sanctioned class.
Yes, the GT500 did pretty much split the comparisons 50/50 between the itself and the ZL1. Second, we are always skeptical of Nurburgring times. Roll bars/cages, Hot tunes, shaved tires, weight reduction... who knows what else... No need to publish a time if ANY of that stuff is present.
The GT500 cannot be mathced in the straights and looks to be almost on par with the ZL1 in some of the turns. That said, imagine the GT500 in something other than Goodyears (the ZL1 too). Keep the current tire size just change the rubber. The GT500 can make up the corners... the ZL1 nor the z28 can make up the straight line speed and acceleration. The new GT350 will be rather difficult to deal with if the z28 remains unchanged when it is released.
Okay now, the GT500 dominates the 1/4 mile (capable both faster and quicker). Lap times were 50/50, the GT500 winning at Laguna Seca (Super short track) where I thought the ZL1 would of had it (capable both faster and quicker). They split the road course wins 50/50, the GT500 won at short and medium tracks... I am betting Ford still has a Tanner video of a convertible '13 GT500 beating the ZL1 coupes lap time Chevy reported... BET ME!!! Now, The GT500 has just possibly beat the ZL1's fastest Nurburgring lap. It was quicker because it produced a quicker time even though SID chose to start and stop his timer on the start and finish lines. Chevy decided to cut the clock short on both the ZL1 and z28 runs... Why cheat?
Changing the brake fluid is a possibility... at these speeds it is a probability on all sides. Another reason Nurburgring shouldn't be used as a yard stick of lap times.
Actually Fender, the GT500's (both the Blue one in the Ring lap and the White one) were the first OEM '13 GT500's that ran the Ring. The "winglet" GT500 you are referring too was actually a '10-'12 bodied 500 we called "Red". "Red" was a prototype that was producing 7:30 Ring laps and was quite possibly the exact car that did 202mph at Nardo. Red was later said to be the possible GT500KR that was never released. I now speculate that Ford did not need for an additional "KR" model because one wasn't needed. It's obvious now that Ford had an impressive Ring time the entire time and just never said a word... Other than Jamaal's "Deep Sevens" comment at the LA Autoshow in November 2012.
The first video Ford releases of Nurburgring EVER and he is waving the BS flag pretty hard. He's actually waving the BS flag because he was one of the major players in the "Where's that Ring time" and now its all gone. After seeing the video, he should go back, rewatch Chevy's Camaro press releases and apply his current mentality to Team Camaro's "proof".
Caged, stripped, tires suspension... pretty much every Camaro that has run the Ring and published a lap time.
Again, you are comparing editor runs using 4-6 different drivers, over the span of a week and comparing results from different years. Lightning Laps are done IN traffic and the last two years have had rain on 2-3 of the 5 days of driving. Your gospel and real life are far from similar. The 1LE can't handle a 5.0 GT in the real world, don't you worry about the 500 please.
Blue level Joe, Red level was never produced. Red level was more than likely going to be the GT500KR. It was instantly identifiable with it's drilled rotors.
No, no Chance... The video was likely "slipped" due to Team Camaro's recent perversions of lap time recently. The Milford Media blooper got the ball rolling. Advertising YOUR companies time with the competitions car is okay I guess. Advertising a time, a sandbagged time is just wrong... Here is the video of Camaro5's personal ride along. Then I will post a video of the GT500 running Nurburgring. I will also post an extra media video from Milford in which the driver states its an 80% run... still beating the GT500's 1:59.93.
...and I am misinformed...
Did you see how C&D did the lap? Is C&D results more valuable knowing they are done by 4-6 different EDITORS, over the span of 5 days, in traffic and then you compare them to years passed results. Both the Fiat 500 and GT500 had rain during their lap, the Boss had just as much rain as the z28 did in it's Ring lap at VIR. Nobody cried... until now... Randy is the only driver that discussed brake fade, it's possibly that he is seasoned enough to feel the difference or, there was an issue with THAT car.
tiresome . . . Ya think?? ;)For Norm... ;)
Here's where I'm going. Garagelogic was banned from C5 about the time that 2cnd Chance started posting. What if they are the same guy? I mean, how funny would it be if the same guy they kicked of the site years ago is the same person who is loved by all in the ' House?
