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[Ed M]

Different driver? Different day? Different surface conditions? 3% difference is probably within the error bounds.

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[roygriffin2020]

or GM's ABS programming is better. Or maybe the ZL1 carries it's weight a little bit different under maximum braking efforts that it eeks out a small efficiency advantage. Or maybe, just maybe the ZL1 is lighter by approx 200lbs?

Why is this so important over a couple of feet? I know it's January and all but come on.

If the ZLE can stop 3 feet shorter in one 60-0, make that for 100 curves over 25 minute session. Then whats that.....300 feet. That is a win.

 

[millhouse]

If the ZLE can stop 3 feet shorter in one 60-0, make that for 100 curves over 25 minute session. Then whats that.....300 feet. That is a win.

Well, there are several accounts of the ZLE brakes feeling "long" and "spongy" after several laps....so there's that.

Here's one example...

" It was the iron-rotor brakes, which carry over from the regular ZL1, and not the tires that kept us from turning more than five hot laps at a time; the pedal gets a little long on the fifth lap."

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15082238/2018-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-1le-test-review/

 

[roygriffin2020]

Well, there are several accounts of the ZLE brakes feeling "long" and "spongy" after several laps....so there's that.

Here's one example...

" It was the iron-rotor brakes, which carry over from the regular ZL1, and not the tires that kept us from turning more than five hot laps at a time; the pedal gets a little long on the fifth lap."

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15082238/2018-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-1le-test-review/

Of course the next statement you somehow left out..... "Even so, few cars feel as stable while braking in corners as the 1LE. "

 

[millhouse]

Of course the next statement you somehow left out..... "Even so, few cars feel as stable while braking in corners as the 1LE. "

Right...for 5 laps until brake fade hit. No need to include that information when I was explicitly quoting for brake fade, not pre brake fade "feel".

 

[roygriffin2020]

Right...for 5 laps until brake fade hit. No need to include that information when I was explicitly quoting for brake fade, not pre brake fade "feel".

But yet you quoted "feel"..... ZLE brakes feeling "long" and "spongy"

 

[millhouse]

But yet you quoted "feel"..... ZLE brakes feeling "long" and "spongy"

Yes...due to brake fade which was documented in the article. The ZLE's brakes feel amazing....for 5 laps until fade hits. Again, this is documented.

And you still don't understand how all of this relates to the advantage the GT500 carries with it's larger rotors and pads.

 

[roygriffin2020]

Right...for 5 laps until brake fade hit. No need to include that information when I was explicitly quoting for brake fade, not pre brake fade "feel".

So then you think MT is GM biased or Ford biased?

 

[roygriffin2020]

Yes...due to brake fade which was documented in the article. The ZLE's brakes feel amazing....for 5 laps until fade hits. Again, this is documented.

And you still don't understand how all of this relates to the advantage the GT500 carries with it's larger rotors and pads.

The GT500 needs bigger brakes to bring down all of that extra weight. The ZLE gets by with smaller brakes because it is not as heavy. So it can stop shorter

 

[millhouse]

The GT500 needs bigger brakes to bring down all of that extra weight

You really aren't that stupid are you?

 

[roygriffin2020]

You really aren't that stupid are you?

Again with the insults when someone else is right and you don't have a leg to stand on and your argument is all wet

 

[millhouse]

Again with the insults when someone else is right and you don't have a leg to stand on and your argument is all wet

We'll, either you really are stupid, or you are just so bull headed that you refuse to see an opposing point of view that is accurate....which is ignorance.

So which one is it?

 

[roygriffin2020]

We'll, either you really are stupid, or you are just so bull headed that you refuse to see an opposing point of view that is accurate....which is ignorance.

So which one is it?

The Miata can stop 60-0 in 108 feet. It has small 4 piston brakes. It does not need huge 16.5 inch brakes because of less weight. I don't see why you can't get that in your head. Bigger car bigger brakes. Smaller car smaller brakes.

 

[millhouse]

The Miata can stop 60-0 in 108 feet. It has small 4 piston brakes. It does not need huge 16.5 inch brakes because of less weight. I don't see why you can't get that in your head. Bigger car bigger brakes. Smaller car smaller brakes.

Ok, you really don’t get it. That explains things.

Last time...the Gt500 doesn’t need those brakes to stop in that distance. Smaller pads and rotors would be quite capable if doing the same. The advantage the larger brakes carry is in their ability to shed heat to reduce or eliminate brake fade after multiple stops. This I’ve mentioned previously.

So when you question why the Gt500 holds and advantage with its rotors size, it’s in its ability to eliminate any trace of brake fade on the stock setup lap after lap.

The ZLE has been proven to experience brake fade in as little as 5 laps. Larger brakes aren’t needed to stop faster, but they would eliminate brake fade.

Understand?

 

[roygriffin2020]

Can you imagine how fast a big brake Miata would stop though? It would probably overwhelm the tires. Which would lead to a body kit and wider tires. Then the rolling resistance needs to be overcome. That's when the LS swap goes in. Before you know it, this guy us passing everything. Well that settles it. Miata is the best track car.

The Miata is the most modified and raced car in the world. Not much can touch a Flyin' Miata with the LS

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