Oil Analysis @ 1,058 Miles

[mustang_guy]

I would have to agree with everything you said, and can't argue it. But I do know people that have exceeded 200k+miles on cars and trucks following the factory maintenance intervals and recommendations.

See my edit. You beat me. Not all engines are that tough. While the coyote is extra tough since the testing in the f150 made the mustang benefit from it. Get back to me when you see 200k flex fuel f150s. i havent seen any yet. Also im not saying the engine is going to fail. Im just saying it will definitely shorten the engine life span nicely. Also most cars arent toyota tough and can see that following the manufacturers recommendations without any issues. E85 or not. Cars turn to junk much sooner. Partly due to service intervals.

Ive torn enough e85 engines for friends that didnt use better oil and its wear was apparent.

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[Need4Speed15]

It is important contrary to your lack of knowledge on the topic.

Id also like to state im not here to be an oil snob. Im just keeping the facts straight. Oil is your cars blood. Your engine health is only as important as you make it. Its even more serious for those beating the car often or heavily modded.

I never claim to be and expert in anything automotive related, I just speak from personal experience. I'm not a master tech nor have I ever worked in the automotive industry, I've just been a car nut ever since I was a teenager and drag racing has been a great hobby of mine for over 27 years.

That being said I'm always open to learning new things.

 

[paul123]

They would rather sell you a car. As a master tech in the automotive field. They only expect a car to last 90-100k before you have failures following their maintenance plan.

I believe it. Although with the trend to increasingly complex electronics and software, more airbags, etc, cars seem more disposable than ever. Starting to get the iPhone effect. And how about about those CVT's that are taking over the car market? Do buyers of such cars really expect them to go way beyond 100k miles?

Once the car starts burning too much oil, and fails emissions testing, it's time for a new one.

 

[MikeD1]

Your numbers mean nothing. They are a stand-alone measurement of what was in the oil (who's to say that stuff is bad?) at the time you changed it.

Well, that's not true. Like any metric, the idea is to establish a baseline and watch the trends for things out of profile. If all looks normal - life is good - else there may be issues cropping up that need to be addressed before they become big problems.

And, as someone else already pointed out, how many ppl spend way more $$ than this on Starbucks coffee or greasing their guts up @ McD's ............ :doh:

 

[hiccup]

Meh... the car will last 100+k miles easily with factory recommended Motorcraft oil. No need for Amsoil.

thank you...fancy oil companies love those special oil guys lol

 

[jasonstang]

I think it really depends on what kind of driving you are doing. My DD I put about 10k miles a year and I change oil every 10k miles. Obviously full synthetic is needed. My Mustang probably won't see more than 3000 miles a year so as long as a decent blend oil and gets changed once a year, it won't be a problem.

 

[Tony Alonso]

For comparison, here are my analysis results at 7500 miles and 15200 miles.

 

[D3adch1ld]

Man, as usual, everybody have something negative to say about someone's findings.

First off, thank you OP for doing what no one else here has done. Coming from several built engines, the rule of thumb has always been the same... after break in procedures, change the oil within 1k miles to remove collected contaminants, then you may start normal oil cycles. I treated my 5.0 as such, removed the factory oil after a bit over 1.5k miles with my preferred oil (RP HPS 5w30). My second oil was done 6 months later (reverting to 5w20 for winter) and coincidentally the oil life was down to 4%.... only a mere 2.2k miles after I did my last change.... Guess my driving style goes through oil den faster. Now, call the manufacturer of your preferred oil and inquire what intervals they suggest. In my case, and with my driving habits I was suggested to change every 6k miles, with E85 even less due to contamination. Yes, e85 does contaminate differently than gas specially because of the rich mixtures needed. If you are one of those beat it till you kill it, do your $40 Motorcraft oil changes and be happy, the rest of us who respect their vehicles, follow your instincts and use your knowledge.

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[bluebeastsrt]

Nice OP. No harm at all in a little testing. This forum is a little harsh when someone tries to present something out of the complete ordinary.

 

[Need4Speed15]

This type of testing is nothing new and nothing out of the ordinary, people have been doing UOA's on the coyote engine since its release in 2011. Maybe its the first time its been talked about on this forum, but its been a hot topic for many years.

If anyone has the time the thread below is a great read and filled with tons of coyote specific information about UOA testing all different types of oils. On that forum "UnleashedBeast" is the resident oil expert and anyone that's been around a while knows who he is and knows that he's extremely knowledgeable when it comes to UOA testing along with oil composition and quality.

http://www.s v t performance.com/forums/showthread.php?805918-Official-GT-5-0-Boss-302-UOA-thread

Here is another thread where UnleashedBeast answered a few questions about E85 usage and oil specifically for the coyote engine. Pay special attention to reply #4 from UnleashedBest in this thread:

http://www.s v t performance.com/forums/showthread.php?805918-Official-GT-5-0-Boss-302-UOA-thread

Just copy and paste the links above in your browser and remove the spaces between svtp to get the links to work.

I'm just posting this information because it discusses UOA reports specifically on the coyote engines and it touches on E85 usage as well. There's a ton of info if the interest is there to read and learn more.

 

[Chameleon]

This type of testing is nothing new and nothing out of the ordinary, people have been doing UOA's on the coyote engine since its release in 2011. Maybe its the first time its been talked about on this forum, but its been a hot topic for many years.

If anyone has the time the thread below is a great read and filled with tons of coyote specific information about UOA testing all different types of oils. On that forum "UnleashedBeast" is the resident oil expert and anyone that's been around a while knows who he is and knows that he's extremely knowledgeable when it comes to UOA testing along with oil composition and quality.

http://www.s v t performance.com/forums/showthread.php?805918-Official-GT-5-0-Boss-302-UOA-thread

Here is another thread where UnleashedBeast answered a few questions about E85 usage and oil specifically for the coyote engine. Pay special attention to reply #4 from UnleashedBest in this thread:

http://www.s v t performance.com/forums/showthread.php?805918-Official-GT-5-0-Boss-302-UOA-thread

Just copy and paste the links above in your browser and remove the spaces between svtp to get the links to work.

I'm just posting this information because it discusses UOA reports specifically on the coyote engines and it touches on E85 usage as well. There's a ton of info if the interest is there to read and learn more.

Beat me to it. Guess it's not so "meh"? lol

Oh and do yourself a favor and read post #657.

 

[Need4Speed15]

Beat me to it. Guess it's not so "meh"? lol

Oh and do yourself a favor and read post #657.

There's no denying it, if you want the absolute best oil for your engine it gets no better then Amsoil.

 

[mustang_guy]

Im still skeptical that e85 delution doesnt happen. I had it happen on a few ford vehicle's when i worked there. Im still curious what by definition is a modern engine to him. Heard of a few current body style flex fuel tahoes having it happen from a buddy that works at a gm dealer. Troy knows his stuff. But hes contradicted himself a bit before in suggesting a different oil for people using e85.

 

[Need4Speed15]

Im still skeptical that e85 delution doesnt happen. I had it happen on a few ford vehicle's when i worked there. Im still curious what by definition is a modern engine to him. Heard of a few current body style flex fuel tahoes having it happen from a buddy that works at a gm dealer. Troy knows his stuff. But hes contradicted himself a bit before in suggesting a different oil for people using e85.

I see your point and I do believe it happens, but maybe to a much lesser extent on the coyotes as opposed to some other engines and platforms. That being said and after revisiting this subject I'm planning to switch to an Amsoil product for my next oil change. It just makes sense to put better oil in the car. Additionally for E85 users tightening up the oil change intervals is a smart thing to do also.

 

[mustang_guy]

I see your point and I do believe it happens, but maybe to a much lesser extent on the coyotes as opposed to some other engines and platforms. That being said and after revisiting this subject I'm planning to switch to an Amsoil product for my next oil change. It just makes sense to put better oil in the car. Additionally for E85 users tightening up the oil change intervals is a smart thing to do also.

Its possible. Im going to message troy and get some clarity on the matter why hes gone back and forth on e85 oil suggestions and what his findings are. I can share what i find out if people are interested.

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