2016 Camaro Official Specs!!!

[Blk2015GT]

You really think a base GT is close to the 1ss. Your not doing much with 18" all season tires. The 1ss will be more compared to a base GTPP. Now that weighs 3780lbs, so now your near 100 lbs heavier. This also puts base to base prices less then $1500.

Why does one need the PP to make it equivalent? The SS comes with 4 piston brakes stock, so goes with the base GT. Trying to keep everything as close to bone stock so no one can claim bias.

So for $37,500 I could build one hell of a GT on 4 piston brakes to stay comparable to the 4 piston bone stock SS.

Everything else the PP offers you can better in the aftermarket as I said- springs, swaybars, suspension bits like braces and bushings.

I also mentioned replacing the wheels in that $5k so you're getting better wider lighter wheels than the SS; in fact almost the hp at the wheels that the SS has at the crank, on a better suspension and more traction with wider lighter wheels. Probably lose some weight there too and make the 2 cars nearly identical in weight.

In fact arguably lighter with aftermarket parts (exhaust suspension and wheels)

People seem to want to casually just toss out the price factor though. If we do that than the GT350 beats all Camaros and Mustangs and it's end of topic.

It's a HUGE consideration when the manufacturer put $5k more of stuff int he car to lighten it or make it more powerful. A comparison of dollar for dollar is the true value of the car unless one has a bottomless wallet to dump into a car. But then you reach the next tier of cars performance-wise and modding a Camaro makes no sense versus the next stock car that's faster, into a perpetual cycle.

The question is if you have $37,500 to spend would yo get a bone stock SS or modded GT with $5k of mods? I think the GT will be a better faster overall car done right for the same cost.

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[mustang_guy]

I agreed that there are mustangs running 12.5 stock on stock tires. I acknowledged that, and also supplied information showing the corvette (same engine and trans as the camaro) running 11.4. You don't have any way to show the camaro will run a full 1.1s slower than that right now, and yet still try to say the mustang will be competitive to the camaro. I don't see how you can make that argument. The math, which you said you are well versed in, doesn't support your stance.

We are done here. You can't argue with anyone who actually provides data to counteract your "experience" and "knowledge", so it's pointless. I'd love to debate with you, but you won't even enter the debate, and instead stick your nose up to me and act superior as if I don't know what I'm talking about. When all along... You're actually the one who doesn't appear to know what they're talking about, and doesn't actually have any proof to back up what you're saying.

You should stop assuming i dont. I can argue just fine. You also seem to think i disagree that the camaro wont be faster then the mustang. Thats where i differ from you, on how much i faster i think itll be. Because i know it will be. Just not a lot like most think. its just easier to let people like yourself think they are right sometimes. :cheers:

 

[cosmo]

Shouldn't you be worried about your EcoBoost and how it performs against the like model in the Crapmaro lineup?

Traded in my EB for a Boss 302. Only loss 500 on the deal, I consider it worth it. Though I'll probably pickup an RS eventually, the 2.3L is a great tuning platform.

You should stop assuming i dont. I can argue just fine. You also seem to think i disagree that the camaro wont be faster then the mustang. Thats where i differ from you, on how much i faster i think itll be. Because i know it will be. Just not a lot like most think. its just easier to let people like yourself think they are right sometimes. :cheers:

Well if you ever actually want to debate, instead of dancing around the topic, then come find me. Part of my job is creating assumptions regarding required engine power and torque ratings for vehicles to meet customer demands for performance, fuel economy, and cooling demand. I've got plenty of knowledge and resources to discuss this.

 

[SILVER GT]

This is exactly what I've been trying to say. If you're drag racing who the f*ck drag races 2 bone stock cars- 2 muscle cars at that. That's just nuts to worry about warranty and then say drag race in the same sentence.

The only people who race bone stock cars for numbers are car magazines.

Say what? 50% of the people at test and tune night are running stock Camaros, Mustangs, Corvettes, Challengers for heads up street nights, bracket racing, etc. Guess you have never been to a drag strip on a street night or test and tune night with that statement...

 

[02gtnh]

Why does one need the PP to make it equivalent? The SS comes with 4 piston brakes stock, so goes with the base GT. Trying to keep everything as close to bone stock so no one can claim bias.

So for $37,500 I could build one hell of a GT on 4 piston brakes to stay comparable to the 4 piston bone stock SS.

Everything else the PP offers you can better in the aftermarket as I said- springs, swaybars, suspension bits like braces and bushings.

I also mentioned replacing the wheels in that $5k so you're getting better wider lighter wheels than the SS; in fact almost the hp at the wheels that the SS has at the crank, on a better suspension and more traction with wider lighter wheels. Probably lose some weight there too and make the 2 cars nearly identical in weight.

In fact arguably lighter with aftermarket parts (exhaust suspension and wheels)

People seem to want to casually just toss out the price factor though. If we do that than the GT350 beats all Camaros and Mustangs and it's end of topic.

It's a HUGE consideration when the manufacturer put $5k more of stuff int he car to lighten it or make it more powerful. A comparison of dollar for dollar is the true value of the car unless one has a bottomless wallet to dump into a car. But then you reach the next tier of cars performance-wise and modding a Camaro makes no sense versus the next stock car that's faster, into a perpetual cycle.

The question is if you have $37,500 to spend would yo get a bone stock SS or modded GT with $5k of mods? I think the GT will be a better faster overall car done right for the same cost.

The base GT has 4 pot fronts but single rears where the SS is 4 pot on all corners. Base is 235 AS tires on 18 wheels. The 1ss has 20" Summer only performance tires. The base GT has no external coolers, the 1ss has differential, oil, tranny, and HD engine coolers. The base has no drive modes, the 1ss has 4 drive modes. The base has I believe 3.31 gears, the 1 SS has 3.73 LSD. All the stuff in the 1ss is what the PP offers other then drive modes, differential and tranny coolers. So this is why they should be compared. Plus it's only $4000 price from base GT to 1SS.

 

[StangBANG]

Funk all this.. it's all the nature of business. Be happy with what you have.. we all know the next best thing is always around the corner. . FACT OF THE MATTER IS......DRUM ROLL...
...DRUM ROLL....THE CAMARO WILL NEVER SOUND AS GOOD AS THE 5.0 SCREAMING PAST AT WOT.
.......DROPS MIC. ...LEAVES.

 

[Ninjak]

Ummm....you go to Morosso now (PBIR) on Weds or Fri, and there are very few bone stock cars in the stage lanes. I would say at best 5% are bone stock, and most of those guys are looking at what upgrades to do next.

The ones who are bone stock are just there to say the drag raced their car, and it shows in the way they drive.

As I said earlier, anyone who actually RACES their car, will not leave it stock. Most will do a CAI intake and tune at the very least, and most will have a DR out back. Even the HEllcat that was "stock" had DR's on. Nobody sits there and say

"If your car was stock I would beat it!"

That said, the new Camaro platform looks (on paper) to be a good base. It is yet to see what it equates to in real performance. I know a open diff does not help out, and it seems a few of those models will have it. One wheel peel anyone ?

 

[StangBANG]

Funk all this.. it's all the nature of business. Be happy with what you have.. we all know the next best thing is always around the corner. . FACT OF THE MATTER IS......DRUM ROLL...
...DRUM ROLL....THE CAMARO WILL NEVER SOUND AS GOOD AS THE 5.0 SCREAMING PAST AT WOT.
.......DROPS MIC. ...LEAVES.
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[Blk2015GT]

The base GT has 4 pot fronts but single rears where the SS is 4 pot on all corners. Base is 235 AS tires on 18 wheels. The 1ss has 20" Summer only performance tires. The base GT has no external coolers, the 1ss has differential, oil, tranny, and HD engine coolers. The base has no drive modes, the 1ss has 4 drive modes. The base has I believe 3.31 gears, the 1 SS has 3.73 LSD. All the stuff in the 1ss is what the PP offers other then drive modes, differential and tranny coolers. So this is why they should be compared. Plus it's only $4000 price from base GT to 1SS.

Are 4 piston rears necessary? Probably not considering most of your braking force in the fronts; 80-90%. And what does rear brakes have to do with power or speed truthfully?

Tires, I've addressed I guess you didnt fully read what I said.

Mishimoto transmission cooler up to the 2014 was $89. Not really a relevant cost factor. Again coolers aren't that relevant in a speed or power issue. Track maybe but this thread isn't about track times but 0-60 and 1/4.

Drive modes? Really?


You've raised hypothetical road track arguments that aren't relevant as the thread is about the performance numbers in the first post of weight, 0-60, and 1/4.

And I guarantee 3.15 vs 3.73 wont matter a ton with a GT with 460 to the wheels vs a SS with 465 to the crank (415 to the wheels). And I would get 3.55 on the GT manual for $395 anyways which is what I have on my auto- good medium. 3.73s have shown you have too shift to much on the 1/4.

The Mustang GT bases at $32,300 the SS is $37,295. $4,000? :shrug: More like $5k pretty much on the dot.

 

[speedracermustangfan]

I'd buy a used boss 302 before a newer camaro or mustang, I doubt the boss will be too far behind the gen6 ss on the track. The boss will have it in the 1/4 though...the boss 302 runs 12.3 reliably, and dips into the 11's with a tire.

I was really hoping the s550 gt was going to match that in 2015. Id probably be driving one now.

If we're talking perfomance for the money in a car that's less than 5 years old, the boss is still the boss.

 

[02gtnh]

Are 4 piston rears necessary? Probably not considering most of your braking force in the fronts; 80-90%. And what does rear brakes have to do with power or speed truthfully?

Tires, I've addressed I guess you didnt fully read what I said.

Mishimoto transmission cooler up to the 2014 was $89. Not really a relevant cost factor. Again coolers aren't that relevant in a speed or power issue. Track maybe but this thread isn't about track times but 0-60 and 1/4.

Drive modes? Really?


You've raised hypothetical road track arguments that aren't relevant as the thread is about the performance numbers in the first post of weight, 0-60, and 1/4.

And I guarantee 3.15 vs 3.73 wont matter a ton with a GT with 460 to the wheels vs a SS with 465 to the crank (415 to the wheels). And I would get 3.55 on the GT manual for $395 anyways which is what I have on my auto- good medium. 3.73s have shown you have too shift to much on the 1/4.

The Mustang GT bases at $32,300 the SS is $37,295. $4,000? :shrug: More like $5k pretty much on the dot.

You think performance is only a straight line. I will guarantee you will drive on twisty roads more then a straight line. Base GT is $33295 your not adding dest charge where the SS is included.

 

[Asharus]

dunno, my daily commute is basically all straight lines

 

[02gtnh]

dunno, my daily commute is basically all straight lines

Then why get a PP GT? I'm sure it's there when you want it performance is why you wanted it, and bang for buck.

 

[Asharus]

yep exactly. i'm just saying, that of the 14000 miles i've driven, probably 98% have been straight lines, excluding the obvious left and right turns on local roads.

 

[Blk2015GT]

You think performance is only a straight line. I will guarantee you will drive on twisty roads more then a straight line. Base GT is $33295 your not adding dest charge where the SS is included.

Which part of this thread is not about track times wasn't clear? THIS IS ABOUT 0-60 AND 1/4 MILE STRAIGHT LINE POWER.

Read the original post. Please show me where track times are anywhere?

Start another topic if you want to talk road track. Sheesh. Talk about tangential arguing when you can't win a point.

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