EcoBoost vs. Pre-Coyote GT?

[EcoSwag1990]

I have only boosted V8's in the past. I had no idea those tuner motors were already pumping boost levels that high (28 psi).

So what boost is required to get approx. 400 RWHP (approx. 440 Crank)? 28 psi? 35? Sounds like it will grenade at some point.

I figured you were thinking in V8 terms. Here is MAP's update on their 500rwhp eco with stock internals. They ran 29psi on their upgraded turbo kit ($3,500).

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24974


The tune they will actually be sending customers with the kit will be good for 390hp/380tq at 23.5psi

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[wildsailor]

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The tune they will actually be sending customers with the kit will be good for 390hp/380tq at 23.5psi

Hubba hubba...sounds great. This is Chassis Dyno numbers as well so not comparable to the 'advertised' HP/T figures of the manufacturer. The 500+ HP and 490 lb-ft chassis numbers they are getting exceed the GT350 numbers!

 

[Tm@c1965]

That's pretty impressive...

I had a GTI, all stock. Never knew what psi it was running. I sold it at 60K miles because I feared that the 2.0L motor was working overtime just to get 210 HP. I suppose they build them like tanks, but I still think that boosting those things to those levels puts you on borrowed time. Anyhow, 500 RWHP for $3500 is a steal.

 

[Raoh]

I mean on my way home from work yesterday, I saw this guy in a Focus hatchback (NOT an ST -- a regular Focus), who slapped the most obnoxious fart can I've heard in years on this thing. Then there was gigantic vinyl dragon plastered on the side of the car. He's sitting there, pretending he's shifting the car (it was an automatic), seat pushed all the way back, acting like he's a baller.

Needless to say I blew by him in third gear just to startle the sh*t out of him. But that's the sort of ricers that piss me off. I mean a Focus is a good economy car. A Focus ST is a good hot hatch. But he ruined it with the fart can, made it look ridiculous with the tacky vinyl Chinese dragon sh*t (the guy was as white as Norwegian in a snow storm, so I genuinely don't get it), and then made HIMSELF look stupid pretending like he's in a Fast & Furious movie with that fake shifting.

THOSE people ruin the image of tuners. Doesn't have sh*t to do with the motors.

I once pretended I was driving stick in my automatic audi lol. I was still manually shifting the car with the tiptronic system, but I was pretending there was a clutch and all that, it was hilarious. I was just bored while driving home one day lol. Don't tease people for having a bit of fun! My friend told me his father has done that before, because he wants to relive his glory days of racing old school muscle cars.

 

[Raoh]

I had a GTI, all stock. Never knew what psi it was running. I sold it at 60K miles because I feared that the 2.0L motor was working overtime just to get 210 HP. I suppose they build them like tanks, but I still think that boosting those things to those levels puts you on borrowed time. Anyhow, 500 RWHP for $3500 is a steal.

The 2.0L VW engines are great for long lasting applications. 210 is really not even that much power, and the actual size of the engine doesn't matter, it's the strength of all the materials used. Basically, forced induction makes a smaller engine act like a larger engine. So maybe that 2.0L engine was actually using 3.0L of air or something. So, it's not how much boost you run that breaks stuff, but how much power from the explosions that do it. If you have an engine that is 12 liters, or you force 12 liters of air into a 5 liter space, it's going to be about the same amount of force, maybe the added pressure will make it harder on the engine, but as long as everything is built for that power, you have no issues really.

 

[thehunterooo]

Hubba hubba...sounds great. This is Chassis Dyno numbers as well so not comparable to the 'advertised' HP/T figures of the manufacturer. The 500+ HP and 490 lb-ft chassis numbers they are getting exceed the GT350 numbers!

Sounds like the GT350 is a rip off.

 

[04SloSnake]

Hell they blow up STOCK let alone when the mods start. I woulda loved a 600rwhp EB. I just didn't want the headaches that come with that much boost on that small of a motor.

Proof?

 

[Apwrx]

Sounds like the GT350 is a rip off.

Completely, why would you get that pile when you can get a big turbo Eco for waaay less:cheers:

 

[Tm@c1965]

Because

Completely, why would you get that pile when you can get a big turbo Eco for waaay less:cheers:

1. Even if the ECO is boosted to a higher peak HP than a GT350, the overall HP and Torque curves of the GT350 will provide better performance at a wide range of speed/RPM.

2. The GT350 has a warranty if it "grenades."

3. The GT350 looks Badazzz

4. The GT350 is designed from the ground up to handle that power level. It's engine components, cooling systems, rotating assembly and PCM programming were integrated during the design phase....vice adapted to different blower pulley's, bolt on parts or aggressive tuning.

5. Suspension, Rims, Brakes and Tires.

6. Suspension, Rims, Brakes and Tires.

7. Suspension, Rims, Brakes and Tires.

 

[Apwrx]

1. Even if the ECO is boosted to a higher peak HP than a GT350, the overall HP and Torque curves of the GT350 will provide better performance at a wide range of speed/RPM.

2. The GT350 has a warranty if it "grenades."

3. The GT350 looks Badazzz

4. The GT350 is designed from the ground up to handle that power level. It's engine components, cooling systems and PCM programming were integrated during the design phase....vice adapted to different blower pulley's, bolt on parts or aggressive tuning.

5. Suspension, Rims, Brakes and Tires.

6. Suspension, Rims, Brakes and Tires.

7. Suspension, Rims, Brakes and Tires.

A big turbo professionally tuned Eco is badazz and reliable as well ,it also has suspension,rims and tires

Warrantys are for chumps big turbo Eco ftw.

Hopefully you get I've just been being sarcastic.
The Gt350 is awesome, fantastic car well above the Eco in all around performance.

 

[15wile]

Sounds like the GT350 is a rip off.

Not for $47.5K. You get a nice 526HP NA V8. That's no small potatoes. But the people who are paying huge ADM to get them... yeah, that's a ripoff.

Funny thing was, I was looking at this turbo kit before I did the swap to a GT. I was trying really hard to decide which way I wanted to go. You do that turbo swap, and you're all in on an Ecoboost. It's impressive. It's pretty cheap at $3500. And I don't think the motor is going to suddenly blow up with the kit either. It's not a bad route to go.

I do, however, suspect that your engine life and reliability will take a hit when you do that. There's no free lunch.

In the end, I decided going GT was the better route, and when I feel like dropping $5000 on a supercharger kit, it'll be a faster car than the Ecoboost with upgrade turbo. Even so... I almost decided to go with the turbo upgrade. It was a very near thing. And I suspect a lot of EB folks will be quite pleased with it.

 

[Barrel]

Proof?

That stock STIs and WRXs blow up? Troll the forums I guess? This isn't a new phenomenon with those cars.

 

[thehunterooo]

Not for $47.5K. You get a nice 526HP NA V8. That's no small potatoes. But the people who are paying huge ADM to get them... yeah, that's a ripoff.

Funny thing was, I was looking at this turbo kit before I did the swap to a GT. I was trying really hard to decide which way I wanted to go. You do that turbo swap, and you're all in on an Ecoboost. It's impressive. It's pretty cheap at $3500. And I don't think the motor is going to suddenly blow up with the kit either. It's not a bad route to go.

I do, however, suspect that your engine life and reliability will take a hit when you do that. There's no free lunch.

In the end, I decided going GT was the better route, and when I feel like dropping $5000 on a supercharger kit, it'll be a faster car than the Ecoboost with upgrade turbo. Even so... I almost decided to go with the turbo upgrade. It was a very near thing. And I suspect a lot of EB folks will be quite pleased with it.

But weight! Weight is the most important thing on this forum, power means nothing!

 

[04SloSnake]

That stock STIs and WRXs blow up? Troll the forums I guess? This isn't a new phenomenon with those cars.

The way you worded it, it sounded like you were talking about the EB. I've had my headaches with the EJ20 and will never look at a Subaru again.

But weight! Weight is the most important thing on this forum, power means nothing!

The Camero release thought me this.

 

[thehunterooo]

The way you worded it, it sounded like you were talking about the EB. I've had my headaches with the EJ20 and will never look at a Subaru again.



The Camero release thought me this.

The I4 Camaro is going to be lighter than a feather, and people thought the 1LE was fast? They are not going to know what hit them, this forum will burn in rage!

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