EcoBoost vs. Pre-Coyote GT?

[Tm@c1965]

The higher the boost...

...the SHORTER the engine life. Those guys who crank up the boost will fry those motors well before normal engine lifespan. I would not be surprised if the some of those guys blow their motors up before 30K miles.

I assume the average ECO driver chose that model because he was on a tight budget. Imagine his budget when he needs a major rebuild. Add a blower with 6 to 8 psi to a 4.6L or 5.0L....and your motor will LAST. You will also beat 4 bangers running high boost levels.

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[10splaya22]

...the SHORTER the engine life. Those guys who crank up the boost will fry those motors well before normal engine lifespan. I would not be surprised if the some of those guys blow their motors up before 30K miles.

I assume the average ECO driver chose that model because he was on a tight budget. Imagine his budget when he needs a major rebuild. Add a blower with 6 to 8 psi to a 4.6L or 5.0L....and your motor will LAST. You will also beat 4 bangers running high boost levels.

Have you seen any reported failures? Yes it will be shorter than a non tuned motor but not 30k.

How can you say a tuned 4 cyl will have a very short lifespan yet adding a blower to a non FI motor will have it last? Just because it has 8 cylinders?

 

[oilfieldtrash]

The ecoboost has some forged parts in the motor. MAP is running a stock ecoboost block right now with an upgraded turbo and it's putting 500hp to the wheels. Not sure of how long it's going to last but it's holding so far. To say they will or will not last with mods right now would be a complete guess on anyone's part.

 

[oilfieldtrash]

...the SHORTER the engine life. Those guys who crank up the boost will fry those motors well before normal engine lifespan. I would not be surprised if the some of those guys blow their motors up before 30K miles.

I assume the average ECO driver chose that model because he was on a tight budget. Imagine his budget when he needs a major rebuild. Add a blower with 6 to 8 psi to a 4.6L or 5.0L....and your motor will LAST. You will also beat 4 bangers running high boost levels.

There really isn't a whole lot of price difference in an ecoboost and the gt. Especially when us ecoboost guys pick the premium option which puts you right into base gt price range. In my case my car was more than a base gt. I choose not to pay more for fuel, tires, and insurance. Not because I can't. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that made that CHOICE. If someone was truly on a tight budget they wouldn't own a new sports car regardless of engine choice. In my case I now have to own a truck too since the mustang really has little use outside of getting groceries and joyrides.

 

[EcoSwag1990]

^ I made that choice

Also a good tuner is not just going to crank up the boost to achieve decent numbers on the eco. In the case of Livernois they don't even increase boost levels by more than 1psi

 

[04SloSnake]

There is definitely no such thing as a high mileage Evo, STI, SRT-4 or BT GTI. They all blow up. Every one of them.

 

[15wile]

I don't see mildly-modded Ecos blowing up any time soon. Reasonable tune + bolt on guys? They'll be fine.

The guys running bigger turbos or super-aggressive tunes, pushing more boost, are definitely playing with fire. That being said, it's not like people haven't blown up V8s, either. The Ecoboost motor is a good one. Ford's been playing with boosted motors for awhile now, and I don't see the Focus ST guys complaining about exploding motors.

Get the V8 if you want it (I did), but don't do it because you think the EB is crap, or something -- because it isn't.

 

[w3rkn]

...the SHORTER the engine life. Those guys who crank up the boost will fry those motors well before normal engine lifespan. I would not be surprised if the some of those guys blow their motors up before 30K miles.

I assume the average ECO driver chose that model because he was on a tight budget. Imagine his budget when he needs a major rebuild. Add a blower with 6 to 8 psi to a 4.6L or 5.0L....and your motor will LAST. You will also beat 4 bangers running high boost levels.

Have you ever heard of "Ford Performance" ..? Or the Ford aftermarket catalog..?

The 2.3 is sold "as is" because it gets great gas mileage and insurance ratings. You then open up a FP catalog and change those things to get true performance out of your car, without insurance or CAFE being a problem.

These engines are de-tuned for legal reasons.

 

[Barrel]

There is definitely no such thing as a high mileage Evo, STI, SRT-4 or BT GTI. They all blow up. Every one of them.

Hell they blow up STOCK let alone when the mods start. I woulda loved a 600rwhp EB. I just didn't want the headaches that come with that much boost on that small of a motor.

 

[wildsailor]

Hell they blow up STOCK let alone when the mods start. I woulda loved a 600rwhp EB. I just didn't want the headaches that come with that much boost on that small of a motor.

Which "stock" 2.3L Ecoboost engines have "blown up"? If you are withholding some significant information the rest of us need to know please post it here as soon as possible. I know of none but please post the secret list.

 

[15wile]

Ricer cars that explode can probably be attributed to the general stereotypical stupidity of your average ricer. Some tuning shop blew up an Ecoboost motor by running 29PSI of boost through it at like 8000RPM. It's kind of like "well, duh, dumbass. Don't do that." You see guys with Evos, STIs, etc... running them at retarded high RPM, all the time, when there's no reason for it. They'll bang it off the rev limiter constantly, without understanding the wear they put on the motor doing that.

Look, there's nothing inherently wrong with a performance 4 cylinder. Doing more with less is great. But be SMART about it. The problem with most ricers isn't their cars, or the motors, it's chronic stupidity.

And don't even get me started on the guys who put in fake blow-off valves, or slap fart cans on their cars.

 

[15wile]

I mean on my way home from work yesterday, I saw this guy in a Focus hatchback (NOT an ST -- a regular Focus), who slapped the most obnoxious fart can I've heard in years on this thing. Then there was gigantic vinyl dragon plastered on the side of the car. He's sitting there, pretending he's shifting the car (it was an automatic), seat pushed all the way back, acting like he's a baller.

Needless to say I blew by him in third gear just to startle the sh*t out of him. But that's the sort of ricers that piss me off. I mean a Focus is a good economy car. A Focus ST is a good hot hatch. But he ruined it with the fart can, made it look ridiculous with the tacky vinyl Chinese dragon sh*t (the guy was as white as Norwegian in a snow storm, so I genuinely don't get it), and then made HIMSELF look stupid pretending like he's in a Fast & Furious movie with that fake shifting.

THOSE people ruin the image of tuners. Doesn't have sh*t to do with the motors.

 

[Tm@c1965]

My earlier comment was about high boost...

I could be wrong, but I don't see how someone could exceed the power of a stock 5.0L without running high boost levels (over 10 psi) on a 2.3L motor, unless the crank, pistons and rods are forged. And even if they were, running that car hard would wear it down fast. I spoke about V8's running low boost (below 8 psi) earlier.

 

[EcoSwag1990]

I could be wrong, but I don't see how someone could exceed the power of a stock 5.0L without running high boost levels (over 10 psi) on a 2.3L motor, unless the crank, pistons and rods are forged. And even if they were, running that car hard would wear it down fast. I spoke about V8's running low boost (below 8 psi) earlier.

You're blowing my mind for a couple reasons.

A. This thread is comparing the EB to the 4.6
B. The EB does have some forged internals and already runs 18+PSI on the factory tune

 

[Tm@c1965]

Ok

You're blowing my mind for a couple reasons.

A. This thread is comparing the EB to the 4.6
B. The EB does have some forged internals and already runs 18+PSI on the factory tune

I have only boosted V8's in the past. I had no idea those tuner motors were already pumping boost levels that high (28 psi).

So what boost is required to get approx. 400 RWHP (approx. 440 Crank)? 28 psi? 35? Sounds like it will grenade at some point.

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