Calling all benchracers: why is the BMW M4 so much faster?

[socalsnake]

I'm sure the repair bill for breaking that pretty DCT or that TT6 will be way cheaper than a built Coyote.

No, you're right...that would be expensive.

But then its just a question of how much disposable income you want to throw at your hobby. After 10k, 15k, 20k, 25k, 35k, 50k...I don't think you'd be second guessing how and why you're modding your car at that point let alone concerned with how you could've saved some money on another platform.

You pick your poison depending on what platform you choose to play with. Just like the GTR guys and their dual clutch issues, beyond a certain point, modding gets expensive.

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[Barrel]

No, you're right...that would be expensive.

But then its just a question of how much disposable income you want to throw at your hobby. After 10k, 15k, 20k, 25k, 35k, 50k...I don't think you'd be second guessing how and why you're modding your car at that point let alone concerned with how you could've saved some money on another platform.

You pick your poison depending on what platform you choose to play with. Just like the GTR guys and their dual clutch issues, beyond a certain point, modding gets expensive.

It's what keeps me loving American performance. Incredible aftermarket and "cheap" parts. It seems no matter how much I make I still can't shake chasing getting the most performance-per-$.

 

[socalsnake]

It's what keeps me loving American performance. Incredible aftermarket and "cheap" parts. It seems no matter how much I make I still can't shake chasing getting the most performance-per-$.

Fantastic build on your car btw. Reminds me of my old 03/04 terminator days.

 

[Sasuketr]

Kinda funny how many of you guys are so biased toward the S550. Its great to love your car, but the M4 is faster in stock form and is much easier to mod for more horsepower at a lower cost...you're alread starting with a boosted platform with a lighter weight and with a transmission that is light years ahead. You can't dispute those facts.

I don't think I'm biased either way...I experience both cars almost everyday and like them both alot.

Well think about this way, m4 is already a boosted car in its stock form. A twin turbo v6. You can tune it, switch to bigger turbo's but you can't add cylinders or displacement.

S550 on the other hand is heavier has an NA v8 engine with horrible factory tires, and it still runs close to an m3/m4. You would have ton of options modding an NA V8 versus already factory boosted twin turbo v6. Thats my two cents.

 

[Tm@c1965]

I think the GT350 would eat an M4

Your point is well taken. Ford has an answer in the GT350 and from all preliminary indications, it should perform well and be competitive with the M products. And who knows what Ford has planned for the GT500...that's got me excited.

The M4 is an $75-$85K car, and it will beat a GT Stang in stock form. I doubt it's a full second faster as stated earlier. I'm thinking more like 0.5 seconds.

I'm sure it will handle better:
http://www.caranddriver.com/compari...ng-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-4

Unless that twin turbo could turned up to handle very high boost levels, I don't see how it could beat a blown GT.

 

[socalsnake]

The M4 is an $75-$85K car, and it will beat a GT Stand in stock form. I doubt it's a full second faster as stated earlier. I'm thinking more like 0.5 seconds.

I'm sure it will handle better:
http://www.caranddriver.com/compari...ng-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-4

Unless that twin turbo could turned up to handle very high boost levels, I don't see how it could beat a blown GT.

Not disagreeing. Just showing the potential for the M3/M4. Down pipes, exhaust, stock turbos with upgraded internals (not larger or aftermarket turbos)...

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1066417&page=17

summary...for those that don't want to read through all the pages...

So in summary DPs+Turbos
w/91 = 472whp
w/93 = 519whp
w/93+meth = 580whp
w/e85+91+100+meth = 616whp (28psi) BMS car
w/100+meth & exhaust = 630whp (30psi) PURE car

 

[Guard5.0]

Kinda funny how many of you guys are so biased toward the S550. Its great to love your car, but the M4 is faster in stock form and is much easier to mod for more horsepower at a lower cost...you're alread starting with a boosted platform with a lighter weight and with a transmission that is light years ahead. You can't dispute those facts.

I don't think I'm biased either way...I experience both cars almost everyday and like them both alot.

I think you'll find that on any site dedicated to a specific car. It's good to see BMW doing what they used to do with the new M3 which is create world class overall performers. For a few years Audi has had their way in that segment. Overall it just puts more pressure on the other automakers to keep up which should benefit everyone. I'm not a big fan of the Camaro but I personally hope the new one goes and turns like crazy. I've always thought the biggest detriment to the Mustang and the Camaro was that they lived under the Ford and GM semi-subterfuge which was do only enough to beat the latest iteration from the other. This obviously worked for a long time simply because of the dedicated fans from those camps would not consider another brand. The Corvette and Cadillac brands have made great strides after moving from under the GM umbrella, maybe Ford should consider the same.

 

[thehunterooo]

Oh wow I never realized they cost so much, all the M cars for that matter :eyebulge:

 

[socalsnake]

Oh wow I never realized they cost so much, all the M cars for that matter :eyebulge:

You should go to Porsche's website and build a regular ol' 911 with some options. Option it up and your eyes will water. That's what I do sometimes...then the M products seem reasonable lol.

 

[Guard5.0]

Friend has a new Z06 with Z07 package. Very, very fast with cornering limits that are quite frankly scary... for $112,000 and change. A performance bargain compared to some but yea, going fast is expensive.

 

[socalsnake]

Friend has a new Z06 with Z07 package. Very, very fast with cornering limits that are quite frankly scary... for $112,000 and change. A performance bargain compared to some but yea, going fast is expensive.

New Z06 is supercar territory level of performance for sure (dampened by the overheating issues forcing the car into limp mode at the track) and based on that...it is probably the best performance bargain per dollar that exists.

But, even so, $112k is a chunk of change. At that price point, a whole array of different performance cars have to be considered especially if you're not searching for the performance bargain of the century.

For me, if GM can address the overheating issues and maybe tone down all the aero bits (esthetically speaking), like the plastic add on fender on the front...why don't they just make the fender wider???...if they can address those things, they would have serious world class, heavy hitter on their hands - translation = I would buy one!

GM should step up to the plate. And not to pick on them...they're not the only car manufacturer to have production issues - 2014 Porsche GT3 engine fires was a problem for Porsche, but they replaced EVERY engine on every GT3 that year...that's 800+ engines! That is standing behind your product (and also avoiding a class action suit), but still.

 

[thehunterooo]

You should go to Porsche's website and build a regular ol' 911 with some options. Option it up and your eyes will water. That's what I do sometimes...then the M products seem reasonable lol.

WTH, over 100k for a base 911 with a few options, and there are 25 different 911 trims. I used to go on the luxury brand sites and play around with the configurations but my god the prices are so high.

 

[socalsnake]

WTH, over 100k for a base 911 with a few options, and there are 25 different 911 trims. I used to go on the luxury brand sites and play around with the configurations but my god the prices are so high.

Yup. Porsche has always been notoriously high priced as they nickel and dime you for every little option...but that's why there are so many customizable options available - more profit in their pocket. They do deliver a quality product though. Value is in the eye of the beholder...

Now try optioning out a 911 (991.2) Turbo S. You'll cry a little (I do every time).

 

[Guard5.0]

New Z06 is supercar territory level of performance for sure (dampened by the overheating issues forcing the car into limp mode at the track) and based on that...it is probably the best performance bargain per dollar that exists.

But, even so, $112k is a chunk of change. At that price point, a whole array of different performance cars have to be considered especially if you're not searching for the performance bargain of the century.

For me, if GM can address the overheating issues and maybe tone down all the aero bits (esthetically speaking), like the plastic add on fender on the front...why don't they just make the fender wider???...if they can address those things, they would have serious world class, heavy hitter on their hands - translation = I would buy one!

GM should step up to the plate. And not to pick on them...they're not the only car manufacturer to have production issues - 2014 Porsche GT3 engine fires was a problem for Porsche, but they replaced EVERY engine on every GT3 that year...that's 800+ engines! That is standing behind your product (and also avoiding a class action suit), but still.

Yes, still lots of plastic bits inside and out. At least they finally replaced the torture chamber seats. They're actually supportive and semi comfy.

 

[Cascadia_302]

Lol. Substantial mods? You did see the post above of a bone stock M3 with a tank of 103 octane.

Just out of curiosity and in all seriousness, at what mod level/power level would an F8X M start to worry you or you'd feel challenged by at your mod level?

So just how does a bone stock m3 take advantage of that 103 octane gas without a tune?
Is the ECU set-up from the factory to do this or what?
May be a stupid question but something doesn't seem above board there.

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