This is what Ford must do in 2017

[djt81185]

EB is making 500+ whp on upgraded turbos all day long. I think Watson has their EB at 600? I'll have to look that up later. The stock turbo is a little more bizarre. Its torque curve is far to the left. It's more torque heavy. With tune and intake only, I'm north of 400RWTQ. Still 400RWHP seems possible with it anyhow. Follow MAP's thread if you're interested in their ethanol experimentation and tuning. They have NOT replaced anything on the stock fuel system on their e30 tune that's doing the 360RWHP, I know that. But they were talking about some minor mods for running e85. They also have a turbo upgrade kit for pretty cheap that's pushing a lot more horsepower.

Livernois is also a good bet for seeing what the motor can do. They have their EB running in the 11s as well. Unleashed is running Meth Injection, which also seems to be effective. There are a few different approaches to pushing the stock turbo.

I don't know if you're just a GM fanboy, or what your point is here, but the 2.0 GM motor has a lot more ground to cover than the 2.3 EB mill. And since it's positioned under the V6, I'm not sure the modders are going to take to it in large numbers -- though that remains to be seen.

I think you need to double check on the fanboi saying. I have owned both fords and chevys. I am about to buy my 3rd new ford, I have only bought 1 new chevy.

I am only making the point that based on evidence the lnf has a fair chance of being faster.

The best stock turbo I can find is 360/410 for a ecoboost from MAP. Stock turbo lnfs are making 400+ whp for years now.

I can't find any good numbers for a upgraded turbo ecoboost (Specifically this 500+whp ecoboost mustang you claim) except the focus st and really can't find any making 500+ whp where as a large number of LNF make over 500whp on for example a s256 on a stock bottom end.

As much as I hate ZZP you can search them and both stock turbo and s256 numbers. The are going 10.8 @mid 130s on turbo swapped cobalts granted a lighter car but FWD. They have gone 11.8@118 on the stock turbo in the same FWD car. Also they have 710 whp on 27 psi in a lnf and 898whp on a turbo lsj.

The LNF development is much further ahead of the Ecoboost. I also think the lnf has the advantage since it does not have a headifold.

As for the focus st:
http://www.focusst.org/forum/focus-st-performance/21256-highest-hp-focus-st-s.html

I understand you own a ecoboost but don't get all hurt over facts.:cheers:

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[Spartan]

I think the Camaro looks like a55 does this void my warranty? The tail lights on the Camaro look like they were stolen off a 90's honda. The rest of the car looks just like the 2015. I still doubt I will know a 2016 from a 2015 if I see one on the road. The interior looks like it is from one of those $20 driving games you see in walmart. The stereo looks like it was just stuck in there doesn't even fit the rest of the car. Ford really nailed it with the 2015 mustang though if you ask me. Still looks like a Mustang but everyone knows I have the new one when they see my 2015. Interior is a huge step up and the car drives awesome. Plus it isn't a Chevy!!!

The '16 really doesn't look much different then the '15 Camaro. Plus they added a TON of lines to it. I mean the hood lines angles even go into the front bumper. There are lines everywhere...it's just really really busy and that back end...ugh.

They did nail the engine order correctly and offering the V6 in premium. They will sell tons of their V6s with premium options.

 

[15wile]

I think you need to double check on the fanboi saying. I have owned both fords and chevys. I am about to buy my 3rd new ford, I have only bought 1 new chevy.

I don't care.

I am only making the point that based on evidence the lnf has a fair chance of being faster.

The best stock turbo I can find is 360/410 for a ecoboost from MAP. Stock turbo lnfs are making 400+ whp for years now.

This is a new motor. Give it time. By your own admission, the other motor has been "around for years." I'm following MAP and I like what I see.

I can't find any good numbers for a upgraded turbo ecoboost (Specifically this 500+whp ecoboost mustang you claim) except the focus st and really can't find any making 500+ whp where as a large number of LNF make over 500whp on for example a s256 on a stock bottom end.

Hmmm... for some reason the forum is stripping the link. Anyway just google the Freakoboost Mustang. It's there on SVT Performance. 500RWHP and 450RWTQ.

Have fun.

As much as I hate ZZP you can search them and both stock turbo and s256 numbers. The are going 10.8 @mid 130s on turbo swapped cobalts granted a lighter car but FWD. They have gone 11.8@118 on the stock turbo in the same FWD car. Also they have 710 whp on 27 psi in a lnf and 898whp on a turbo lsj.

Watson has their Ecoboost down to 11.1 1/4 mile. And they're still going. One of the most promising things about the 2.3 motor so far is how fast the aftermarket is taking to it. Bama has a minor bolt-on Ecoboost with just intercooler, exhaust and tune doing 12.1 1/4 mile (this is important to me, because that's where I'm going to stop on my modding work). Plenty of Ecoboosts in the 11s with more bolt on work.

The LNF development is much further ahead of the Ecoboost. I also think the lnf has the advantage since it does not have a headifold.

It's been around longer. Other than that, no, I don't think so. Want to know what I'm thinking? I figure someone will necro this thread a year or two from now, when those 2.3 motors are fully built and laugh at how conservative we're both being.

As for the focus st:
http://www.focusst.org/forum/focus-st-performance/21256-highest-hp-focus-st-s.html

Not the same motor. Related, but not the same. Although now that you bring up the Focus, I *am* interested in seeing what the Focus RS is bringing to the table. It will have the 2.3 in it, but supposedly with higher output. I'm curious what the changes will be.

I understand you own a ecoboost but don't get all hurt over facts.:cheers:

I don't see a whole lot of facts in this thread. I see a lot of speculation and armchair quarterbacking -- which is fine, it's fun to shoot the sh*t, as it were -- but don't confuse any of this bullsh*t with race day. And I really don't care, even if you're right. I like my Ecoboost, mind you, but I drove it off the lot knowing the GT was faster and had a higher mod ceiling than my car.

You really think I give a f*ck about base model Camaro buyers who then sink boatloads of money in engine mods? I'd tell them the same thing I tell anybody who says they want to drop thousands into a mid-grade or base motor: buy more engine.

The original point wasn't that you can't build an engine to compete with the big boys. Rather, it was to point out the low-hanging fruit, the cheap power. Anybody who buys a 2.0 Camaro and sinks thousands into it to go faster is an idiot. Buy the V8. I'm no GM fan, but even I respect their V8s.

 

[USAF]

I'll buy a Schwinn or walk before I buy a camaro

mustang is in my blood ford is in my name!

 

[15wile]

I'll buy a Schwinn or walk before I buy a camaro

mustang is in my blood ford is in my name!

I'm with this guy. I've owned a number of GM vehicles and to say the reliability was bad is to say that Rosie O'Donuts is "a little on the large side." There are other car brands I'd be willing to own -- but not GM.

 

[Spartan]

I think you might see the '17 Mustang adopt something similar to the F-150 display for the all the info gauges. Since the Camaro did this, I think Mustang is going to follow next.

 

[blkandgud]

I think you might see the '17 Mustang adopt something similar to the F-150 display for the all the info gauges. Since the Camaro did this, I think Mustang is going to follow next.

Yeah this would be nice to have...even though I can see the old school purists who will hate on all of the electronic gizmos, but yeah, the Mustang should move in this direction.

 

[Spartan]

Yeah this would be nice to have...even though I can see the old school purists who will hate on all of the electronic gizmos, but yeah, the Mustang should move in this direction.

Yah I like the F-150 gauges cluster...looks nice. It could be an option that you upgrade to and the purists could not get it if they didn't want it.

But yah since Chevy did it, I think Ford will follow...

 

[Spartan]

Hotrod Mag: But the real takeaway for me was Chevy’s confidence in its prototypes. I expected these cars to be pretty rough still. If this is where GM is at with the car that won't be released until the fall, the Mustang team over in Dearborn has got something to be worried about.

Starting to think that Ford might have dropped the ball on the '16. The more information that is coming out about the '16 Camaro and the test drives, it's pretty apparent that Ford has something to really worry about here. Starting to make me reconsider ording a '16 and just waiting till Ford decides to up their game next with the 10 speed and other improvements. Sure you can always wait for the next best thing but there are plateaus and areas where you know they wont be changing something. They should have had a better transmission ready for the '15 and if not then ready for the '16 at least. They had to know Chevy was coming with the 8 speed.
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[Twin Turbo]

I wouldn't say Ford dropped the ball with the '16MY, but what I would say is I'd be very wary of buying a '16MY if you're a prospective buyer and you're at all concerned with what they may offer for '17MY or '18MY, knowing improvements are likely on their way.

Problem is, Ford do a great job of keeping their plans secret. Who knows, we may see a DI Coyote (460hp+) and a 10-speed auto for '17..........and then refreshed sheetmetal for '18. Or they may save the lot for '18!

Personally, I'd be tempted with a lightly used '15 now, with a view to trading when the '18 arrives. That way, if the engine/transmission changes did arrive for '17, they've had a year to iron out any bugs........not that I'd expect any.

If Ford haven't made these changes by '18MY, THEN I'd say they've dropped the ball

 

[kz]

I wouldn't say Ford dropped the ball with the '16MY, but what I would say is I'd be very wary of buying a '16MY if you're a prospective buyer and you're at all concerned with what they may offer for '17MY or '18MY, knowing improvements are likely on their way.

Hey, '16 has Sync3, most important thing every in automotive history so it really didn't matter how '17 or '18 turn out...

 

[thehunterooo]

Hey, '16 has Sync3, most important thing every in automotive history so it really didn't matter how '17 or '18 turn out...

The new camaro is so good that sync 3 is old news now, the mustang needs sync 4 fast if it has any chance at all.

 

[Hack]

I was pretty set on getting a 2016 Mustang ecoboost but the new Camaro really has me doubting. I am not really fan of the tail lights design but the 335 naturally aspirated v6 and premium interior available for V6 is enough for me to consider it. I don't know if anyone at Ford will read this but to counter the Camaro, they should offer a premium NA v6 with around 350 hp and aluminium door to save weight and offer the ecoboost for Overseas or as a base model.

The Camaro 6 always felt stronger to me than the Ford 6. It's all the other things that convinced me to buy a Mustang with the V6.


Things I liked about the Ford:

• better visibility (all directions)
• better wheels at a better price (at least when I was looking the optional Camaro wheels were really expensive and the 6 came with steelies)
• Parking brake on the correct side
• Better interior
• Better selection of cars in the local dealerships
• Ford was less expensive

Really the price was the bottom line for me. I think the cars were pretty close, but the Mustang was a couple grand cheaper. The Camaro would have had to be significantly better to be worth the difference. To me the Ford was actually better when looking at the whole picture.

 

[15wile]

Ford didn't drop the ball. They released their 6th gen first, stole the thunder, broke into the euro market and made a damn fine car. They will have to address straight line performance by bumping up the coyote, most likely, but they'll still win or break even on the lesser models. 17 will probably see a v8 power bump. Problem solved.

 

[Spartan]

Ford didn't drop the ball. They released their 6th gen first, stole the thunder, broke into the euro market and made a damn fine car. They will have to address straight line performance by bumping up the coyote, most likely, but they'll still win or break even on the lesser models. 17 will probably see a v8 power bump. Problem solved.

We'll see what happens. Watching these reviews that are starting to pop up from the test drives of the '16 Camaros, they are very impressed with how good the car handles and feels and can feel the new chassis/weight changes. I think they are going to have to do more then just a power bump in the '17. I think the 10 speed will also have to make an appearance.

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