Stock Rod Limit

[dragonacc]

We are used to being jumped all over when we say that the sky is blue. Nothing new, it happens with every new vehicle. We say that due to our testing we have found whatever and everyone argues but then when we are still beating everyone's records and producing unmatched results we finally get credit.


We cannot race on tracks that are covered in snow. We cannot break the law on city streets to appease a forum, I am sorry that we are not located in a more temperate climate.
As for your first point, when have you purchased our products, compared them to the products that you think we had nothing to do with and produced results? All you do is critique baselessly.

Well considering you refused to show pictures of the "changes" you made and you used a stock picture of the intake you "based" yours off and claimed you "engineered" it. I think the burden of proof is on you, you're the ones selling it. Now maybe you showed pictures at some point, but I don't remember it so if you did sorry.

And for your exhaust you gave zero credit to Kooks and I personally (maybe someone else caught wind of it somewhere) never knew they had anything to do with it until they made a thread asking for reviews of their exhaust.

Is there snow on the ground in MI still? Tracks are all still closed? Weren't you supposed to have a test and tune at Milan in April and another one already in May? Did they get canceled?

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[Tamadrummer88]

Well considering you refused to show pictures of the "changes" you made and you used a stock picture of the intake you "based" yours off and claimed you "engineered" it. I think the burden of proof is on you, you're the ones selling it. Now maybe you showed pictures at some point, but I don't remember it so if you did sorry.



And for your exhaust you gave zero credit to Kooks and I personally (maybe someone else caught wind of it somewhere) never knew they had anything to do with it until they made a thread asking for reviews of their exhaust.



Is there snow on the ground in MI still? Tracks are all still closed? Weren't you supposed to have a test and tune at Milan in April and another one already in May? Did they get canceled?

IIRC it was ARH that made the midpipe supplied to Livernois. I know because I got bashed when I asked why a vendor wanted reviews of another vendors midpipe.


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[Livernois Motorsports]

Kooks has never any work with or for us, nor have we done work with or for them.

We will not be going to the track until tomorrow to test a few 900whp+ builds that we recently completed this year. We have been busy transporting builds that we had to send home. We only have one track that we have a testing relationship with. We sponsor test and tune. That does not mean that we are there testing our cars. Several of our clients are grudge racers, celebrities and professionally sponsored classed racers that do not want their results broadcasted out there to the world.

 

[dragonacc]

IIRC it was ARH that made the midpipe supplied to Livernois. I know because I got bashed when I asked why a vendor wanted reviews of another vendors midpipe.


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Ok, I concede that point, I forgot.

 

[Juben]

BGolden is going to be hospitalized when he comes back in here again. I foresee this thread being deleted, lol.

 

[dragonacc]

Kooks has never any work with or for us, nor have we done work with or for them.

We will not be going to the track until tomorrow to test a few 900whp+ builds that we recently completed this year. We have been busy transporting builds that we had to send home. We only have one track that we have a testing relationship with. We sponsor test and tune. That does not mean that we are there testing our cars. Several of our clients are grudge racers, celebrities and professionally sponsored classed racers that do not want their results broadcasted out there to the world.

I concede that I was wrong and it was ARH that makes your exhaust, but you didn't give them any credit so it's easy to forget.

I have a lot more I could say but I won't because I've taken this way off topic.

 

[dragonacc]

BGolden is going to be hospitalized when he comes back in here again. I foresee this thread being deleted, lol.

Yeah... Sorry about that.. :doh:

 

[Tamadrummer88]

Anyway, maybe we can conclude that the absolute safe limit would be 400tq on the stock rods.


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[MAPerformance]

Take note, that you are comparing a motor that was originally designed as a naturally aspirated application in the S550, to a motor that was made for big boost, RPM and power. That is not an honest comparison. Blind data is just that...blind data. If you are going to provide tech data for a comparison make sure that it is truly comparable data.

That is the difference when you are a company that specializes in import turbo motors, you expect all turbo motors to be designed as turbo true turbo platforms. We know the ins and outs of these platforms because we specialize in all new domestic performance vehicles. We do TONS of testing and engineering for the big 3. There is nobody that offers more support for the EB line than we do. And I am not referring to BOVs and TB spacers, but actual parts. From fasteners to deck plates we engineer them all ourselves. Take the 3.5L EB motor that is actually an NA design ported over to a DI TT application. But the new 2.7L EB engine IS a true turbo application.

Also take note that we have covered the differences in the stock and our piston/rod measurements several times.

As for fueling, the EB platform as a whole from 1.5L to 3.5L all suffer from a lack of ability of the HPFP being able to keep up with the commanded fueling trim. If this were not the case why would you need methanol injection? From our WR holding EB S550 to our WR holding SHO They all run out of the ability to keep actual vs commanded fueling in line. The LPFP is not part of the problem. The issue is that the sensor that clocks the lobe of the cam that is responsible for fueling is unable to clock fast enough to get the HPFP to supply enough fuel to support both more timing and boost.

Honestly, it makes no sense how a company that is entrusted to engineer, test and re-engineer parts for the company that makes this car has less clout on this forum than a company that is new to the entire platform. That would be like having a conversation with Mickey Thompson and your local Ford wrench about tires, and treating the wrench as the more credible reference.

You didn't say anything about metallurgy data, you simply said the top ringland was too high and the skirts were too thin. I was showing you that I didn't agree on your statement and why. However I did mention that the piston design in certain other areas wasn't meant for high boost it was intended for exactly what I said in my post emissions and concentrated burn.

You say "This is what happens when you are a company that specializes in import turbo motors". If only we did just that, if only. You must of missed our multiple 1000hp+ LS builds, our Coyote Twin Turbo Kit, and any pictures of our shop that show the lack of turbo 4 cyl's lately. We do specialize in a lot of areas and we do a lot of private builds, and the past few years have been less and less "import turbo motors". So, if you could accurately describe our company that would be swell, its not that hard its the name of the company; Modern Automotive Performance. Not Import Turbo Engine Performance.

New to the platform, I give you that. However, new to engine dynamics and calibration far from. I mean, everyone is new to a platform at one point, but it's not hard to take your previous engine experience and the theory of how something works and implement it to something new. If I don't have the answer I will take the appropriate steps to find the answers. Then show the process in which I used to develop a solution or answer to a problem. I think that is the main difference between being new to a platform and someone that can say "nobody else offers more support" for a platform. People will just believe whatever that company says because they think they have the answers, where I have to prove why my conclusions and products are possibly the best choice. This seems to be working out just fine just ask the many customers that "entrust" us to enhance their vehicle experience.

Now that I have wasted another post space with text that is clearly not contributing to the topic at hand I will bid this thread farewell.

 

[angermgmt14]

BGolden is going to be hospitalized when he comes back in here again. I foresee this thread being deleted, lol.

:lol:

 

[Tamadrummer88]

You didn't say anything about metallurgy data, you simply said the top ringland was too high and the skirts were too thin. I was showing you that I didn't agree on your statement and why. However I did mention that the piston design in certain other areas wasn't meant for high boost it was intended for exactly what I said in my post emissions and concentrated burn.



You say "This is what happens when you are a company that specializes in import turbo motors". If only we did just that, if only. You must of missed our multiple 1000hp+ LS builds, our Coyote Twin Turbo Kit, and any pictures of our shop that show the lack of turbo 4 cyl's lately. We do specialize in a lot of areas and we do a lot of private builds, and the past few years have been less and less "import turbo motors". So, if you could accurately describe our company that would be swell, its not that hard its the name of the company; Modern Automotive Performance. Not Import Turbo Engine Performance.



New to the platform, I give you that. However, new to engine dynamics and calibration far from. I mean, everyone is new to a platform at one point, but it's not hard to take your previous engine experience and the theory of how something works and implement it to something new. If I don't have the answer I will take the appropriate steps to find the answers. Then show the process in which I used to develop a solution or answer to a problem. I think that is the main difference between being new to a platform and someone that can say "nobody else offers more support" for a platform. People will just believe whatever that company says because they think they have the answers, where I have to prove why my conclusions and products are possibly the best choice. This seems to be working out just fine just ask the many customers that "entrust" us to enhance their vehicle experience.



Now that I have wasted another post space with text that is clearly not contributing to the topic at hand I will bid this thread farewell.

Check and mate.

This is why companies like RIP and MAP will be getting my money.


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[LStillman]

Check and mate.

This is why companies like RIP and MAP will be getting my money.


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In for FullRace to blow the rest of the companies out of the water who are offering hard parts.

 

[BGolden]

Going into the ER as I type!

I really thought it would be cool if everyone could leave their egos at the door and have an open discussion that benefited the whole. Guess not.

 

[MAPerformance]

Going into the ER as I type!

I really thought it would be cool if everyone could leave their egos at the door and have an open discussion that benefited the whole. Guess not.

I do apologize, but I have a problem with leaving anything negative open.

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

Google it, there are several examples out there. We are not here to disparage other tuning companies.

Done...only thing that came up was the over-rev'd example from Reddit...not FB as I thought. Used a lot of diff search criteria...nada...

What are you going to do about fueling, a completely custom meth kit? Run a street car on a high octane heavily oxygenated fuel like fuel like MS109? If we would like to continue the incongruent comparisons, look no further than the Fusion. There are several turbo swap options available, but none are able to supply adequate power due to a fueling limitation even with methanol and/or race fuel.

:shrug:
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The point that a non-mechanical turbo stops being able to make power without displacing the exponentially higher heat levels made with more power. Thermal efficiency of turbocharger can be calculated from the thermal efficiency of a single turbocharger by setting the flow of intake air mass through the compressor to be equal to that of the exhaust through the turbine.

Yeah, I get that. You had mentioned 'of the system' which I took as the power unit, ie engine and turbo, as a whole. Aftermarket turbos can be included in this discussion, since it's concerning the limitations of the bottom end...

Not true, are you trying to say that heat and friction are all dissipated equilaterally throughout the motor?

'Equilaterally'? Err..no. Again, I took that as your contention since you said "the stock parts all share the same limit". I guess I don't understand what you mean by this statement. In my field, we don't use these words as you have and mean something besides how I interpreted it. Try again?

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