Dark Horse SC, who's adding one, who's replacing with one, what will it do to GT500 values?

[OX1]

The 2022 CFTP loaded (with POTS), was 114.5k.

A DHSC, with CCBs, POTS (if its an option) and CF wheels....is going to be more than this. 130 would not shock me in the slightest with inflation - granted, the price increase from 2021 to 2022 made up a lot of that. It was the difference between a 96k car fully loaded, and 114.5k.

Was there mid year price increase on 21's? My sticker was 106 (CFTP/POTS/Tech/car cover).

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[MAGS1]

incorrect. The fact that there is so little correlation with the sc and what it takes to make it is the issue at hand.

it will be even more of an issue not being a Shelby.

yesterdays tech at tomorrows prices, with nary a nostalgia bait to make up the difference.

Instead of how much they can put into an affordable car, it’s now a game of how much people can get conned into overpaying. a new era of “bold moves” marketing from Ford. s197 gt500 guys will remember that one.

the sc is a neat car for what it is, but it’s not the progress we should be seeing by now. And we shouldn’t be paying as though it is.

I swear you live in an alternate reality or something. You clearly aren’t grasping what everyone is saying factors into the price of the car. If Ford came out with an all new engine and transmission (or maybe even put the transaxle in this car from the GTD), the price would be way more than the $100-$125k that most of us are estimating. Then you’d bitch about that. Why don’t you move on to something else?

 

[9secondko]

But a loaded Darkhorse costs nearly 85K. So a base DHSC should be 90K? A base Raptor (801A) costs $84k. A Raptor R costs $115k. You are living in a pre-covid fantasy world, where things cost what they should, instead of what corporations now know they can sell them for. You are going to pay a "penalty" for buying the DHSC. Not because it is a leap in performance, not because it is a total redesign, not because it is worth 80k more than a base S650 - but because it is the only thing like it right now, because it will be a relatively low production vehicle, and because Ford knows they can get $125K for a loaded version.

Arguing that "Ford did us dirty" doesn't make sense in the World we all now live in. You can always buy a competitors newest performance equivalent, oh wait.... no you can't because none exist.

Another option would be to buy a Darkhorse, and then attempt yourself to bring it up to the performance and reliability of the DHSC. Nope, can't do that either. By the time you get done figuring out how to swap in the TREMEC Dual Clutch, a built motor with PD blower, carbon ceramic brakes, all of the carbon bits, wider fenders, those amazing carbon fiber wheels etc, I guarantee you will have a shittier car, for more money.

And a Gtd costs 200k more than it should. And?

just because ford ent psychotic with the dark horse and Gtd doesn’t mean it has to continue.

 

[9secondko]

I swear you live in an alternate reality or something. You clearly aren’t grasping what everyone is saying factors into the price of the car. If Ford came out with an all new engine and transmission (or maybe even put the transaxle in this car from the GTD), the price would be way more than the $100-$125k that most of us are estimating. Then you’d bitch about that. Why don’t you move on to something else?

I could say the same about you but apparently I’m a nicer guy.

it’s not strange to realistically stand for appropriate pricing. What is strange is to shill for the company overcharging people. Which are you?

 

[JT1]

So a DHSC can out track a 500 ?

I would think it has to, but the question is, by how much? It's essentially the same car but uglier (subjective, but my opinion) and heavier (objective), with 1/2 a decade more development.

Physics being physics, and given how much time went into maximizing the performance of the 500, I can't believe it will be a significant improvement, but am happy to be proved wrong.

And while I think he's being a little trollish, 9secondko has a point with the price, If it's much more than the GT500 adjusted for inflation, it seems to me it really won't match the value of the upper performance level C8s.

 

[MAGS1]

I could say the same about you but apparently I’m a nicer guy.

it’s not strange to realistically stand for appropriate pricing. What is strange is to shill for the company overcharging people. Which are you?

I’m not shilling for anything, I just understand how it works. Apparently you don’t. Ford is going to sell them no matter what you or I or anyone else says about the price. Enough people will buy the car and that’s all they need. Not to mention, as others have stated, you can’t replicate this car in the market. Supercharged V8, RWD American sports car. Your other option is the C8 Vette, but its a totally different car than the Mustang (I owned one for a bit, wasn’t my cup of tea so I moved on from it).

I can be a nice guy, I just don’t tolerate ignorance when several folks (including myself) have laid out how it works. You refuse to accept the reality of the situation. My patience only goes so far. So, like I said, if this one ain’t your cup of tea, move on to something else that is. And if you don’t like my approach or tone, feel free to put me on your Ignore list, I couldn’t care less.

 

[TonyNJ]

Was there mid year price increase on 21's? My sticker was 106 (CFTP/POTS/Tech/car cover).

No. He had that one incorrect. It was 105k loaded with painted stripes (no painted roof approx $700 or extra cost metallic paint approx $400) in 20 and 21. Then it got bumped up a lot in 2022.

 

[Hack]

it’s not strange to realistically stand for appropriate pricing. What is strange is to shill for the company overcharging people. Which are you?

There's nothing wrong with lobbying for lower prices. Ford could probably sell 100,000 of the DHSC Mustangs a year for multiple years if they priced a slightly stripped-down version in the $70s. Assuming they could build that many. I would probably buy one, and I don't like automatic transmissions. AFAIK CAFE restrictions won't stop them, so they could go hog wild with 800 HP V8s for everyone.

Just based on Ford's history, I would be (pleasantly) shocked if they decided to do that. GM and Dodge have built volumes of high power, special cars, but Ford has never been interested in doing it.

 

[TonyNJ]

If it's much more than the GT500 adjusted for inflation...

Adjusted for inflation, plus a little bit for new/novelty, what do you think it "should" cost? What's your crystal ball telling you it's "actually" going to cost? Base & CFTP.

 

[Epiphany]

So a DHSC can out track a 500 ?

Stock...with more power, slightly lighter weight (carbon brake equipped DH SC's), better suspension geometry, and a better tire than the Cup2, I'd say that is a solid yes. How much quicker and on which track will be interesting to see.

 

[Strokerswild]

Instead of how much they can put into an affordable car, it’s now a game of how much people can get conned into overpaying. a new era of “bold moves” marketing from Ford. s197 gt500 guys will remember that one.

I'll agree having owned one for a while. That car didn't live up to the hype, IMO. At least the early ones like my '07.

 

[9secondko]

I’m not shilling for anything, I just understand how it works. Apparently you don’t. Ford is going to sell them no matter what you or I or anyone else says about the price. Enough people will buy the car and that’s all they need. Not to mention, as others have stated, you can’t replicate this car in the market. Supercharged V8, RWD American sports car. Your other option is the C8 Vette, but its a totally different car than the Mustang (I owned one for a bit, wasn’t my cup of tea so I moved on from it).

I can be a nice guy, I just don’t tolerate ignorance when several folks (including myself) have laid out how it works. You refuse to accept the reality of the situation. My patience only goes so far. So, like I said, if this one ain’t your cup of tea, move on to something else that is. And if you don’t like my approach or tone, feel free to put me on your Ignore list, I couldn’t care less.

‘everyone knows how greed works. No need to get weird about it. but when you make excuses for Ford to overcharge, it’s a little sus. You haven’t explained anything. dont care about your approach or tone. I’ve BEEN tolerating ignorance, so I guess I’m up on patience too. You do you. I’ll do me. It’s a car with old bones AND old guts, minus the licensed prestige. Thers no way around it no matter how much of the corporate kool-aid is being consumed. It’s not a 100k car At base.

 

[Thomas]

Was there mid year price increase on 21's? My sticker was 106 (CFTP/POTS/Tech/car cover).

Ah yes I stand corrected. 2021 was indeed 106k w/pots. It then jumped to 114.5 in 2022.

 

[9secondko]

Stock...with more power, slightly lighter weight (carbon brake equipped DH SC's), better suspension geometry, and a better tire than the Cup2, I'd say that is a solid yes. How much quicker and on which track will be interesting to see.

newer version is faster. Check. Would be quite the black eye otherwise. Should perform a bit better in a straight line as well as around the corners.guessing the track numbers have a better spread than drag numbers. But just a guess. Still hoping against hope Ford exceeds the GTD power output.

 

[OX1]

newer version is faster. Check. Would be quite the black eye otherwise. Should perform a bit better in a straight line as well as around the corners.guessing the track numbers have a better spread than drag numbers. But just a guess. Still hoping against hope Ford exceeds the GTD power output.

The biggest upgrade might be the variable traction control. How many can wring 10/10th's (or even 8/10th's) out of a car with this high a capability, I can't. So if that allows the "slower", guy to go faster, could be a big upgrade for the 99% who don't live on the track.

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