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Ok. I may get roasted for this but here goes:
Mustang and Corvette have never been competitors and if they were, nobody told GM that; only Ford owners think that. GM has always benchmarked Porsche. The Ford GT was built to race and per homologation rules, a company has to have a car in production to race it. Ford was actually granted an exemption to build the street car and race car simultaneously. Additionally, the Ford GT street car was built to compete with supercars, not the Corvette. The GTD was built to compete with Porsche, not the Corvette. Jim Farley is enamored with Porsche. The GT3RS and GT2RS were his benchmarks, not the Corvette. The Ring was his challenge, not the quarter mile with the GTD. Corvette never touted their Ring times, but Porsche does. Porsche cares less about quarter mile times. The only American car that was chasing a sub 7 second Ring time was a Dodge Viper and that was an independent group. GM did not build the eRay, Z06, ZR1, or ZR1X to compete with any Ford products. GM is looking at Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari, and Lambo now. IMHO, I think Farley knows that. They are pissing in different pools now with Corvette going mid engine. If anyone thinks that Ford will build a mid engine car that current or former Mustang owner can afford, that would be delusional.
I have maintained this as well.
corvette is a different category.

mustangs and all pony cars are designed to be sports cars, but with the added practicality of somewhat useful rear seats and trunk space. The Vette is designed to be an engine with wheels that you sit on.

but now that mustangs are more expensive than corvettes ( something really wrong here) and ford going and making a two seater GTD, they’ve gone and muddied it all up.

the Mustang ( in GTD form) IS a corvette competitor. And gets its butt kicked. Sad but true.

and the Vette isn’t even shipped off to a racing company. It’s also massively cheaper. Crazy.
‘’the real purpose of the GTD is to get Mustang buyers used to paying 100k plus for a Mustang. Sneaky stuff. In realty, the GTD should cost 10pk and be called “cobra.” Ive a sneaking suspicion that was the original intent. But then boardroom stuff happened.

the Mustang should be the Mustang. Make it as fast and capable as possible while mostly affordable. Heck, the 2003 cobra was beating corvettes for cheaper. That’s the mentality we want. Get scrappy. That’s always been the Magic of the Mustang. You go and pay Everyman prices and get a car that scares exotics while you take your wife and kid on a road trip.

if ford wants to destroy the corvette, build a new GT with a monster new v8 and don’t make it a limited production car. Make it a staple. Then let the R&D trickle down to the Mustang (and others) for economy of dev costs. The company that gave us ecoboost knows more about turbocharging than anyone and so that’s what the GT and Mustang should have.

but give us affordable mustangs that perform like exotics again. bring back the exotic performance for blue collar money. Trash the whole blue collar performance for Ferrari money jive.

a 1600 hp Electric turbo v8 hybrid ford GT would be the answer to the vette.

that Should free up the Mustang from having crazy price tags attached to it so that Ford can get back to making mustangs great performance cars at a bargain again.
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Just for fun I did a quick search and this popped up. I think the DH is a better match for the GT350 than you think. It posted a quicker LL time than the GT350R, never mind the regular GT350. Add in the fact that the DH is brand new with factory support and warranty, and I can see why people would pick it over the 350. I know I would if I were a “track” guy. But I’m just a knuckle dragging 1/4 mile guy so what do I know lol 😂

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Unless they are comparing a 10spd I'm not buying that list. There is no way a Mach1 is faster than a GT350R when it's heavier, less power and worse brakes.
 

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If you were not so wrong, you'd be right.
- GT350 wins
- GT350 wins

Hell in some vids the Mach1 even beats the DH.

I can't find a single video of a GT350 losing to a DH in any comparison test.
Now factor in you can get a well kept GT350 for like 61K and that Ford cant unload NEW loaded Dark horses even when discounted from the 70's into the high 60's it kinda tells you a lot.
So you’re under the impression that Ford engineered the GT350 for the drag strip? You’re confusing a Hellcat for a GT350. That said, on the road course, the Mach 1 has already outperformed the GT350, just go look at C&D LL times. That said, I’m not trashing the GT350. On road course with longer curves, it can outperform the Mach 1 due to the HP difference, and the Mach 1 can outperform perform the GT350 on road courses with shorter curves due to the low-end torque.

The GT350 is far from being perfect, and hardly the halo Mustang for Ford. That’s the GT500.

GT350 owners think they drive a Ferrari 458. Anyway, if Ford can keep the pricing of the DHSC less than $115K, it’s a winner.
 

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I have maintained this as well.
corvette is a different category.

mustangs and all pony cars are designed to be sports cars, but with the added practicality of somewhat useful rear seats and trunk space. The Vette is designed to be an engine with wheels that you sit on.

but now that mustangs are more expensive than corvettes ( something really wrong here) and ford going and making a two seater GTD, they’ve gone and muddied it all up.

the Mustang ( in GTD form) IS a corvette competitor. And gets its butt kicked. Sad but true.

and the Vette isn’t even shipped off to a racing company. It’s also massively cheaper. Crazy.
‘’the real purpose of the GTD is to get Mustang buyers used to paying 100k plus for a Mustang. Sneaky stuff. In realty, the GTD should cost 10pk and be called “cobra.” Ive a sneaking suspicion that was the original intent. But then boardroom stuff happened.

the Mustang should be the Mustang. Make it as fast and capable as possible while mostly affordable. Heck, the 2003 cobra was beating corvettes for cheaper. That’s the mentality we want. Get scrappy. That’s always been the Magic of the Mustang. You go and pay Everyman prices and get a car that scares exotics while you take your wife and kid on a road trip.

if ford wants to destroy the corvette, build a new GT with a monster new v8 and don’t make it a limited production car. Make it a staple. Then let the R&D trickle down to the Mustang (and others) for economy of dev costs. The company that gave us ecoboost knows more about turbocharging than anyone and so that’s what the GT and Mustang should have.

but give us affordable mustangs that perform like exotics again. bring back the exotic performance for blue collar money. Trash the whole blue collar performance for Ferrari money jive.

a 1600 hp Electric turbo v8 hybrid ford GT would be the answer to the vette.

that Should free up the Mustang from having crazy price tags attached to it so that Ford can get back to making mustangs great performance cars at a bargain again.
The top Mustangs have been more expensive than base Corvettes since the 60s. It's nothing new at all.

65 GT350 MSRP $4,547. 65 base Corvette MSRP $4,300.
68 GT500 MSRP for high option cars est. $5,000 to $6,000.
68 base Corvette MSRP about $4,400.
 

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So, how many of you guys like this DarkHorse SC car?

I like it. I think it looks aggressive and I love the front end of the car. I didn't want to rush to judgement right away when it was unveiled, but I actually kind of liked it from the start. Not too crazy about the ducktail spoiler with the high wing spoiler, but it's supposedly 10% more efficient that way, as far as downforce goes.
 

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So you’re under the impression that Ford engineered the GT350 for the drag strip? You’re confusing a Hellcat for a GT350. That said, on the road course, the Mach 1 has already outperformed the GT350, just go look at C&D LL times. That said, I’m not trashing the GT350. On road course with longer curves, it can outperform the Mach 1 due to the HP difference, and the Mach 1 can outperform perform the GT350 on road courses with shorter curves due to the low-end torque.

The GT350 is far from being perfect, and hardly the halo Mustang for Ford. That’s the GT500.

GT350 owners think they drive a Ferrari 458. Anyway, if Ford can keep the pricing of the DHSC less than $115K, it’s a winner.
I literally said no such thing. This is literally comparing 3 cars that complete against each other.
 

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So, how many of you guys like this DarkHorse SC car?

I like it. I think it looks aggressive and I love the front end of the car. I didn't want to rush to judgement right away when it was unveiled, but I actually kind of liked it from the start. Not too crazy about the ducktail spoiler with the high wing spoiler, but it's supposedly 10% more efficient that way, as far as downforce goes.
Likes: Drivetrain, body lines, wing/ducktail and taillights, carbon ceramic brakes, new car smell

Dislikes: Front end, the teal colors, the paint style on the hood on the special editions, hood vent style,

Undecided: Dash, Exhaust tips.

It's all about the price point from here out. Under $125k for the top shelf car and it's a winner. $150k msrp, and I'm not having it.

Subaru vibes:

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So, how many of you guys like this DarkHorse SC car?

I like it. I think it looks aggressive and I love the front end of the car. I didn't want to rush to judgement right away when it was unveiled, but I actually kind of liked it from the start. Not too crazy about the ducktail spoiler with the high wing spoiler, but it's supposedly 10% more efficient that way, as far as downforce goes.
To me the front end doesn’t look bad, but the rear diffuser and exhaust tips I️ absolutely dislike. Maybe it will grow on me. As a 500 owner I️ love The power plant. Wonder how long it will take whipple to adjust the 3.8L supercharger to fit the new platform. Should not really take much and push it to just over 900 hp on 93 octane.
 

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To me the front end doesn’t look bad, but the rear diffuser and exhaust tips I️ absolutely dislike. Maybe it will grow on me. As a 500 owner I️ love The power plant. Wonder how long it will take whipple to adjust the 3.8L supercharger to fit the new platform. Should not really take much and push it to just over 900 hp on 93 octane.
It already fits. But, you can make 900 on 93 on the stock blower.
 

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So, how many of you guys like this DarkHorse SC car?

I like it. I think it looks aggressive and I love the front end of the car. I didn't want to rush to judgement right away when it was unveiled, but I actually kind of liked it from the start. Not too crazy about the ducktail spoiler with the high wing spoiler, but it's supposedly 10% more efficient that way, as far as downforce goes.
I mostly like it. (No complaints about the power plant/drivetrain at all.) Still not thrilled with the S650 looks, but the more I see of them on the road, the more they grow on me. I know everyone complains about the dark horse name, but I like that also. Mustang is a horse, dark is sinister, I like the name. That being said, I would love to own a Dark Horse SC, but cost will most likely knock me out of ever owning one. if I could afford one, would definitely have one in my garage. Figure I have also put enough money into my 2020 GT, will end up just keeping it and eventually add a supercharger to it.

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It already fits. But, you can make 900 on 93 on the stock blower.
You can with max effort. Cost to cost the whipple is very close to max effort. If you do go max effort on the stock blower it is a one hit wonder. It will heat soak after a few WOT pulls and lose a lot of power.
 

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You can with max effort. Cost to cost the whipple is very close to max effort. If you do go max effort on the stock blower it is a one hit wonder. It will heat soak after a few WOT pulls and lose a lot of power.
So run e85

Big numbers on pump is a bad idea anyway
 

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So, how many of you guys like this DarkHorse SC car?

I like it. I think it looks aggressive and I love the front end of the car. I didn't want to rush to judgement right away when it was unveiled, but I actually kind of liked it from the start. Not too crazy about the ducktail spoiler with the high wing spoiler, but it's supposedly 10% more efficient that way, as far as downforce goes.
It has a proven drivetrain, CCBs are almost a given based on the price point its going to be at.

But to me, like the rest of the 650 platform, it is an incomplete effort. The design of the car doesn’t flow. You can see where they made design choices and then said “oops” because they were already locked in (why is the upper grille angled? Because the top bumper overhang is too short and they made the lower grille flush).

Why are the mesh vents on the bumper different for the center and outer openings? Ford went all in on the dual throttle body and now this car has a single throttle body so were left with a “fake” intake opening. The rear diffuser is an abomination. Looks like something you’d see on a tugboat. The supercharger lid is the same generic one they use on the Raptor R with an empty space where the builder nameplate on the GT500 went. They use this SC on three different models now. You tell me they couldn’t cast a new lid?

Interior is typical 650, which I’m not a fan of, but like the GTD they can’t figure out what to do with the center vent. You have carbon trim on the dash and you’re stuck with the same 3D printed hunk of fake carbon fiber plastic dead smack in the middle of the interior. Same on the door panels.

For what they’re going to charge for this car, its a low budget effort on the design side. I’d have to love it to consider swapping the Gt500 for it. And to be honest, I don’t.

Like the standard Darkhorse, I think youre going to find these things sitting after the initial novelty wears off. Dealers near me have DH handling pack cars sitting below MSRP. That would’ve never happened with the Mach 1. I think this will be similar.
 

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So run e85

Big numbers on pump is a bad idea anyway
You are safe at 900 to 930 on 93. You need a fuel system to run 85. So if you are happy in the 900s then why spend that extra money?
 
 








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