Getting a GT350 at MSRP

[scottpe]

I don't know what happened to the lengthy response I gave you in the other thread (was it deleted?) about this. I had explained in detail.

If you order a car, the dealer can't do a bait & switch on you.. It is illegal in all 50 states. Once you sit down to discuss option or financing, if they didn't notify you of an ADM, they can't charge you. It is false advertising. Additionally, ADM also has to be for "services provided"... that is why most list "free oil changes", or "free lifetime car washes" in the price of the ADM. To avoid the wrath of Ford legal.

That is also why the dealer must have an GT350R on already their showroom floor, w/ADM clearly marked. If they don't, then anyone can claim prejudice, etc..

Order you car...
ADM is for the impatient people who want to buy said (marked-up) car from the lot.

I don't think anyone is implying that the dealership does a 'bait and switch' to put ADM on an ordered car. The price is negotiated at the time the order is placed. If the dealer wants to add ADM to an order they can try to do so, and if the customer doesn't agree to those terms when placing the order, both sides walk away.

As has been stated many times, it's up to the dealer to decide what they want to charge for the car, whether it's ordered or sitting on the lot. The buyer simply has to decide whether he/she agrees to pay the price in either case. If it's a custom order, that agreement is made, in writing, at the time of order placement.

Ordering a car does not automatically entitle the buyer to any specific price. It is always an agreement struck between the dealer and the buyer.

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[Grimace427]

I don't know how many more times this needs to be explained to him. Quite a few of us on here have custom ordered their cars so we have actual first-hand knowledge. Just for kicks I asked FordService to weigh in so just waiting for a response.

 

[Cruzinaround]

I don't think anyone is implying that the dealership does a 'bait and switch' to put ADM on an ordered car. The price is negotiated at the time the order is placed. If the dealer wants to add ADM to an order they can try to do so, and if the customer doesn't agree to those terms when placing the order, both sides walk away.

As has been stated many times, it's up to the dealer to decide what they want to charge for the car, whether it's ordered or sitting on the lot. The buyer simply has to decide whether he/she agrees to pay the price in either case. If it's a custom order, that agreement is made, in writing, at the time of order placement.

Ordering a car does not automatically entitle the buyer to any specific price. It is always an agreement struck between the dealer and the buyer.

All the more reason for the public to start putting pressure on the Govt to cut the dealership Model out of the equation and go to a direct buy Model. The dealers then become Showrooms that take orders and the cars are delivered either to the showroom or to the buyer's address. Just like Tesla is doing it. The Model works for the buying public and the only push back is from the greedy dealerships that think they're untouchable.

My dealer and salesperson told me MSRP would be realistic when I order the car with a few dealer incentives also added in. But, again who knows? If they decide to play games at the last minute I will simply walk away. My patience and common sense would not permit my muscles to sign off on it.

I would possibly ask for a commitment to MSRP and have it notarized on site in triplicate. One for their records, One for mine and one for my lawyer.

I would gladly pay my lawyer to screw the dealer over. Or go Buy a Tesla.

 

[kesbar]

I'm interested in the GT350 with the technology package @MSRP from a dealer near Seattle. Brian5.0?

 

[w3rkn]

I don't know how many more times this needs to be explained to him. Quite a few of us on here have custom ordered their cars so we have actual first-hand knowledge. Just for kicks I asked FordService to weigh in so just waiting for a response.

Clicking a 920 option is not custom ordering....

 

[Cruzinaround]

Selecting equipment options online with a Ford Customizer API is what customizing is in the FoMoCo world nowadays. Then once you click off what you want ..it would link you to a nearby dealer to complete the sale and redirect you or take your info for a call back to schedule an appointment.

At least that's how I remember it. It could be more sophisticated now. Won't know until the Ford customizer option becomes available for this car...if it even does.

 

[TiE2000]

All the more reason for the public to start putting pressure on the Govt to cut the dealership Model out of the equation and go to a direct buy Model. The dealers then become Showrooms that take orders and the cars are delivered either to the showroom or to the buyer's address. Just like Tesla is doing it. The Model works for the buying public and the only push back is from the greedy dealerships that think they're untouchable.

My dealer and salesperson told me MSRP would be realistic when I order the car with a few dealer incentives also added in. But, again who knows? If they decide to play games at the last minute I will simply walk away. My patience and common sense would not permit my muscles to sign off on it.

I would possibly ask for a commitment to MSRP and have it notarized on site in triplicate. One for their records, One for mine and one for my lawyer.

I would gladly pay my lawyer to screw the dealer over. Or go Buy a Tesla.

I have a lot to say on this subject, but per the Terms of this site, i'm going to keep it simple. Government should have NO say in this. Keep the government out.

 

[ShoNuff]

I have a lot to say on this subject, but per the Terms of this site, i'm going to keep it simple. Government should have NO say in this. Keep the government out.

Well currently lobbyists in the government DO have a say in this. This is why some states have banned Tesla sales.

 

[Cruzinaround]

Actually its completely up to the Govt to overturn all the legislation preventing a direct buy model.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/17/tesla-motors-us-sales/

The Manufacturer could showcase the cars in their company owned showrooms and compete directly with the dealerships. With MSRP being the starting line from a direct buy scenario with direct from manufacturer incentives added in without having to pry that information loose from the dealership.

Then The only reason for ADM's would be if there was an actual tangible dealer incentive thrown in.. Like extended warrantees from the dealer or performance add-ons or ongoing maintenance agreements. It would actually transform the market to actually be more transparent for the buyer and actually make the dealers respect the MSRP.

 

[Cruzinaround]

And of course make the Salesman look more like an honest person instead of a money grubbing vulture.

 

[TiE2000]

Well currently lobbyists in the government DO have a say in this. This is why some states have banned Tesla sales.

My argument is not with the how the vehicles are purchased, in fact I like the model. My argument is how everyone is relaying on the Government for issues that they should have no concerns with in the first place. Again, keep the government out.

The Public should put pressure on FORD, for direct buy.

 

[Cruzinaround]

My argument is not with the how the vehicles are purchased, in fact I like the model. My argument is how everyone is relaying on the Government for issues that they should have no concerns with in the first place. Again, keep the government out.

The Public should put pressure on FORD, for direct buy.

There would be no pressure on FORD to go with a direct buy model. In fact if they wanted to sell more cars ...that model would only achieve that goal. And it would not dissolve the current dealership model. It would make their reasons for ADM's something based on tangibles instead of simply greed based on higher consumer demand.

So because of the mere fact that the Dealerships Consortium are the 19th largest contributor through lobbyist channels to the Goverment contributions.... Its absolutely a Government problem since they represent "WE the People" and until we actually press the issue... you can very well expect the money grubbing vulture's to continue to use ADM's.

 

[TiE2000]

In fact if they wanted to sell more cars ...that model would only achieve that goal.

I agree with this statement.

And it would not dissolve the current dealership model. It would make their reasons for ADM's something based on tangibles instead of simply greed based on higher consumer demand.

Is that what you are not trying to accomplish with a direct buy system? Too dissolve the dealerships? This model would have them be nothing more than a store front, with display models. This would negate a dealer from ADM, as they have NO inventory to place it on.

So because of the mere fact that the Dealerships Consortium are the 19th largest contributor through lobbyist channels to the Government contributions.... It’s absolutely a Government problem since they represent "WE the People" and until we actually press the issue... you can very well expect the money grubbing vulture's to continue to use ADM's.

Unfortunately, this is a double edge sward. The Money grubbing vultures, are not just the dealerships, but the Government officials themselves. Representing “We the people” went out of style some time ago. We the people, need to start taking ownership of our own fights with Business’s, and not give the government even more unnecessary power.
This is why we need to press the subject with Ford. take both the Government and dealership out of the equation. We can press the government until our eyes bleed, if someone (people) are getting enough kick back, it will never happen.

 

[Cruzinaround]

Actually A direct buy format would be a Buyer's option to a dealership model...since a dealer can offer more Value Added Dealer incentives to now justify any ADM's it makes them have to really justify the reason's for those ADM's and the buyer then decides whether this is a worthwhile investment to augment their purchase. Like buying an extended warranty on high end electronics you buy from a Best Buy, its backed by the dealer and grows their customer loyalty. The Direct buy model would leave more reliance on the Manufacturer warranty by itself. Offering this level of transparency does not phase out the dealership, if anything it will improve the way they do business.

And yes it is a double edged sword, but one that can be dealt with at the local govt level then walked up the ladder. If and when Tesla gains more ground it will open the door to a purchasing model that is much healthier for everyone. The Manufacturers will not hessitate to jump on board with it. Its the Dealerships and old legislature thats preventing it.

Moving into tomorrow means letting go of yesterday.

 

[Rated R]

For now, Ford could follow Dodge/SRT on how they handle allocations to their dealers on high performance, limited availability models. I really hope they do something like what is detailed below as Ford dealers are some of the worst in regard to ADM:

The excitement surrounding the introduction of the Dodge Challenger and Charger SRT Hellcat has been overwhelming. That excitement for the most powerful muscle cars in history has driven product demand at an unprecedented rate and many enthusiasts have placed orders at a local dealer without understanding if/when that dealer will receive an SRT Hellcat. As we listen to our customer feedback, it has become apparent that incomplete and inaccurate information abounds regarding the process by which SRT Hellcat production is allocated to our dealer body. We want to clear up any confusion that exists.
Any Dodge/SRT dealer can place orders for as many SRT Hellcats as they wish. However, because the factory can only build a specified number of SRT Hellcats each month, we prioritize each month’s available production to our dealers based on the following criteria:
· The number of total Dodge/SRT branded products (any model) a dealer has sold in the last 90 days (higher volume = higher priority)
· The number of SRT Hellcats a dealer already has in stock (higher stock = lower priority)
· The average number of days each SRT Hellcat remained on a dealer’s lot unsold in the prior month (more days = lower priority)
These criteria are intended to distribute all available SRT Hellcats to customers in the shortest time possible. Every Dodge/SRT dealer is evaluated based on these criteria in the first week of every month and available production is allocated to dealers accordingly. When demand exceeds available production, not all dealer orders can be accommodated.
Additional production capacity occasionally becomes available between allocation periods due to increased efficiency, supplier part availability, etc. When this occurs, we allocate the additional production to dealers based on the following criteria:
· Dealer overall sales performance
· The age of any existing unfilled orders (older = higher priority)
· The type of order - customer or dealer stock? (customer = higher priority)
· Vehicle configuration requested by unfilled orders
We remain committed to delivering as many SRT Hellcats as possible.
Thank you for your passion, enthusiasm and patience,
Dodge & SRT Brand

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