GTD allocations should be this week

[Inthehighdesert]

Carbon fiber bodies are cheap to produce. That's news. The equipment alone to produce in any kind of volume is in the tens of millions of dollars. Granted not as bad as twenty years ago but by no means like stamping out fenders and panels. The other thing so many simply ignore and over look is the engineering cost for these vehicles, especially the bespoke singular ones. Not saying a Gtd is a 400k car but it's certainly not a 200k at msrp, not in the manner they'll be produced or volume any way. The police countermeasure comment made me think of the old outrun arcade game.

Check out the Ferrari financial statements and note the massive profit margins. I've seen the new ones heavily disassembled mainly for mods, PPF, police countermeasure installs etc and besides the carbon bodies (cheap to produce now) and drive trains there nothing special about them in fact they almost look like hobby built cars with super cheap interiors from the 80s econo boxes. It's the brand you pay for.

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[wingnutt]

Not saying a Gtd is a 400k car but it's certainly not a 200k at msrp, not in the manner they'll be produced or volume any way.

and that right there is why they will more than likely do what the GT40s have done in value…up, up and away…400k will be the cheapest they will ever be

 

[ZLwhat]

and that right there is why they will more than likely do what the GT40s have done in value…up, up and away…400k will be the cheapest they will ever be

Yeah i'll take a GT3RS instead lol...that's crazy dumb money for a Ford.

 

[Evolvd]

Yeah i'll take a GT3RS instead lol...that's crazy dumb money for a Ford.

You ever seen the going price on an all original Boss 429?

 

[ZLwhat]

You ever seen the going price on an all original Boss 429?

Yeah waaaaaay too much for a Ford still.

 

[K4fxd]

.that's crazy dumb money for a Ford.

It's crazy money for a 4300 pound pig said to be track ready.

I'll bet you could find a road course NASCAR cup Mustang for the same money or less

 

[MAGS1]

Yeah waaaaaay too much for a Ford still.

How about the going rates for the 2005-2006 GT’s or the 2017-2022 GT’s? Particularly the 2017+ GT’s, they make a lot of the exotic brands look silly on track. But they’re Ford, so no good? Is your criticism strictly because it says Ford on the car?

Is the GTD as fast around the Ring as a GT3RS? No, it’s not. Is it still incredibly fast especially when taking its size into account? Absolutely it is. Whether it’s worth the price tag is a purely personal decision. For the same or similar money, I’d take the GTD over the GT3RS for the reasons I’ve already mentioned. But that’s just me, some who have received allocations are a bit hesitant now and I understand that. Others are full steam ahead and I understand that too.

 

[S550HPP]

Carbon fiber bodies are cheap to produce. That's news. The equipment alone to produce in any kind of volume is in the tens of millions of dollars. Granted not as bad as twenty years ago but by no means like stamping out fenders and panels. The other thing so many simply ignore and over look is the engineering cost for these vehicles, especially the bespoke singular ones. Not saying a Gtd is a 400k car but it's certainly not a 200k at msrp, not in the manner they'll be produced or volume any way. The police countermeasure comment made me think of the old outrun arcade game.

The kiln costs but it's amortized over 25+ years. Current sheet metal panels are mostly hydro formed and shaped in multi MN machines though usually outsourced and in high volumes.

Carbon panels are cheap like fiber glass used to be for most part. The panel that sells for 7500 spare parts costs $300 to make.

3O% + Margins on new cars VS mass market 3-6%. I wonder if GTD gets its own crash test or if it's a GT for all purposes....

 

[S550HPP]

Soooooo than why not incorporate all of that into the GTD then?

GTD seems to be 90% GT....if it gets its own crash test certification well know it's not.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Nothing is amortized over 25 years. The initial cost of acquisition is still there wether it’s an outright purchase, or a payment plan. I’ll leave alone what it costs to actually produce the molds, there usefull life(how many pops), the shop, facility, environmental side, skilled labor(high level for proper finished product), material, etc. I’m not referring to what comes out of China on a subpar level, but what oem’s require from a tier one supplier. I actually did lots of glass work in a previous life. Everything from minor molds to full on layups. Chopper guns, hand layups, and vacuum bagged, been there done that. None of it is inexpensive even on a simplistic scale. It’s also very difficult to produce a part, tub, hull, whatever at a high level consistently. No supplier or manufacturer is producing at a 3-6% margin. Especially in a situation where 1-2000 units may get produced and for an end use like a Gtd. It is what it is. The Gtd will go through all the certifications of any new model which will include the crash testing. If you get to see one(Gtd) in person, there’s no similarities to a Gt. About the only thing that is recognizeable is the roof, doors and dash(Interior parts). The Gtd makes the Gt look like a toy in a lot of respects. Pics just don’t do it justice in how big of a car it really is. It’s ironic to because my cftp make my vert gt seem small and its only barely wider, unlike the Gtd which is a big ….. . A Gtd is not 90% a Gt, any more then a 350 is or a 500. They simply are not the same cars. Gt’s are great cars, but they’re simply not like the others, especially the Gtd.

The kiln costs but it's amortized over 25+ years. Current sheet metal panels are mostly hydro formed and shaped in multi MN machines though usually outsourced and in high volumes.

Carbon panels are cheap like fiber glass used to be for most part. The panel that sells for 7500 spare parts costs $300 to make.

3O% + Margins on new cars VS mass market 3-6%. I wonder if GTD gets its own crash test or if it's a GT for all purposes....

 

[ZLwhat]

How about the going rates for the 2005-2006 GT’s or the 2017-2022 GT’s? Particularly the 2017+ GT’s, they make a lot of the exotic brands look silly on track. But they’re Ford, so no good? Is your criticism strictly because it says Ford on the car?

No, I own a Ford, it's ok that I may have a different opinion than you, it seems I may have struck a nerve. The 2017+ GTs are meh, and that's ok for me to say as well because I can have an opinion opposite of yours even if you don't like it.

 

[Evolvd]

No, I own a Ford, it's ok that I may have a different opinion than you, it seems I may have struck a nerve. The 2017+ GTs are meh, and that's ok for me to say as well because I can have an opinion opposite of yours even if you don't like it.

What’s wrong with 2017 models?

 

[ZLwhat]

What’s wrong with 2017 models?

Nothing their just meh, if I were to get anything it'd be something with the voodoo, those are where the driving excitement can be experienced, the only reason I got the GT is because it came with the blower installed, never was a Ford guy, but was starting to get bored with the ZL1 and wanted something to work on and row through the gears with.

 

[MAGS1]

No, I own a Ford, it's ok that I may have a different opinion than you, it seems I may have struck a nerve. The 2017+ GTs are meh, and that's ok for me to say as well because I can have an opinion opposite of yours even if you don't like it.

Well, you criticized the GTD price because it’s a Ford, so I’m just trying to figure out if the name on the car is the main reason for your dislike of the vehicle. The Ford GT’s are well above the GTD in price, but they’re Ford’s which is why I used that example. Never said you couldn’t have your own opinion just as I have mine. Like the car, don’t like the car. Doesn’t have any impact on me, I just like to understand people’s logic as to why they like or don’t like something. It’s called getting someone else’s perspective, try it some time.

For the record, my current Mustang is only the 2nd Ford I’ve ever owned. I’ve been primarily GM in my +\-30 years driving (am a former employee of one of their subsidiaries) with a few non-US automakers sprinkled in. I currently have 2 GM vehicles in my garage in addition to my Mustang, so maybe know something about someone before making assumptions.

Enjoy your day

 

[MAGS1]

If you get to see one(Gtd) in person, there’s no similarities to a Gt. About the only thing that is recognizeable is the roof, doors and dash(Interior parts). The Gtd makes the Gt look like a toy in a lot of respects. Pics just do it justice in how big of a car it really is. It’s ironic to because my cftp make my vert gt seem small and its only barely wider, unlike the Gtd which is a big ….. . A Gtd is not 90% a Gt, any more then a 350 is or a 500. They simply are not the same cars. Gt’s are great cars, but they’re simply not like the others, especially the Gtd.

I was blown away at how big the car is in person. It was quite a sight. I wasn’t able to get close enough to see the inside (roped off at the auto show) but agree there’s not many visual cues that are similar to a “regular” Mustang.

Also got to see the new ZR1 in person, also an incredible looking machine but it also has a lot of the visual cues to that of a base C8 (obviously a lot of additional aero, different wheels, etc).

I also saw yesterday that Stellantis announced the Hemi is returning to Dodge, Ram and Jeep. So, another win for American V8’s.

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