Someone explain this to me?

[88workcar]

We have the same set up here in south Louisiana. For me its 93 till I load this tune.

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[rubyredponycar]

Similar pump setup here but it specifies R88 is E15. Most of the time it’s only labeled E15 because I don’t think it should be used in most cars.
Also two regular 87 one e10 the other ethanol free and a dollar more.

 

[K4fxd]

The no ethanol should be 93

 

[shogun32]

Also two regular 87 one e10 the other ethanol free and a dollar more.

talk about options! I think 87 without is the same base stock as used in the 89?

E15/88 can be used in pretty much any car since like 2004, possibly earlier.

 

[SheepDog]

I agree. I'm not convinced we should be dipping into our food supply to augment our fuel supply. I'd have to see a scientific study on how much more 100% gasoline pollutes than any gas/alcohol blend ( I suspect not that much). I also know that alcohol doesn't possess the same energy as gas (and thus the poorer fuel economy). But the advocates for UNL88 say there's hardly any difference in mileage (but didn't cite any proof in the article, go figure). And then there's the extra octane point, coupled with the lower price. Both of those give me pause.
Bottom line is it appears there's not too many folks on here that run UNL88 a bunch, so I'm not so sure I'll be so anxious now to run UNL88.

Corn is not suitable for consumption anyway. It must be highly processed for you to even extract the low quality nutrients in it. More than 95% of corn production is used for animal feed, for animals that should also not be consuming it.

Also, never mind that- how about dependance on foreign oil/energy? I would gladly drive vehicles that got 5 MPG on Ethanol if not a single dollar went to Russia or the Middle East. Ethanol production is actually a renewable source of energy. Gasoline, diesel fuel, propane etc. is not.

If E85-E90 were produced on the scale of Gasoline, it would cost a tiny fraction of what gasoline costs. Just look what Brazil did with sugar cane and Ethanol production

 

[rubyredponycar]

talk about options! I think 87 without is the same base stock as used in the 89?

E15/88 can be used in pretty much any car since like 2004, possibly earlier.

Probably so because there’s other stations with Ethanol free that are listed as 92 and adding ethanol would add octane. But somehow it’s still a dollar more than premium.

Good to know I can use it but I’m not going to try it out.

 

[K4fxd]

Just look what Brazil did with sugar cane and Ethanol production

Sugar cane is much more efficient at making fuel than corn.

Food crops should be grown for food not energy.

We have enough oil and gas in the US that we don't need to send any money anywhere. Problem is oil is traded as a commodity.

 

[rubyredponycar]

Corn is not suitable for consumption anyway. It must be highly processed for you to even extract the low quality nutrients in it. More than 95% of corn production is used for animal feed, for animals that should also not be consuming it.

Also, never mind that- how about dependance on foreign oil/energy? I would gladly drive vehicles that got 5 MPG on Ethanol if not a single dollar went to Russia or the Middle East. Ethanol production is actually a renewable source of energy. Gasoline, diesel fuel, propane etc. is not.

If E85-E90 were produced on the scale of Gasoline, it would cost a tiny fraction of what gasoline costs. Just look what Brazil did with sugar cane and Ethanol production

That’s the cool part of ethanol it can come from so many sources.

 

[rubyredponycar]

Sugar cane is much more efficient at making fuel than corn.

Food crops should be grown for food not energy.

We have enough oil and gas in the US that we don't need to send any money anywhere. Problem is oil is traded as a commodity.

Isn’t sugar cane and corn traded as a commodity also?

 

[K4fxd]

I doubt Brazil is paying world price on sugar cane for fuel production.

 

[shogun32]

Problem is oil is traded as a commodity.

and then NOT standing for delivery. It should be illegal to trade commodities unless you are a producer, a consumer, or you have a warehouse/tank farm. None of this not standing for delivery or cash settle BS which is nothing more than naked speculation.

 

[Noleftist]

I agree. I'm not convinced we should be dipping into our food supply to augment our fuel supply. I'd have to see a scientific study on how much more 100% gasoline pollutes than any gas/alcohol blend ( I suspect not that much). I also know that alcohol doesn't possess the same energy as gas (and thus the poorer fuel economy). But the advocates for UNL88 say there's hardly any difference in mileage (but didn't cite any proof in the article, go figure). And then there's the extra octane point, coupled with the lower price. Both of those give me pause.
Bottom line is it appears there's not too many folks on here that run UNL88 a bunch, so I'm not so sure I'll be so anxious now to run UNL88.

Stop with the facts! Stop with the reality!
no soup for you!
My feelings say that more corn in my fuel tank gives me fairy wings.
My feelings say real Gas is fake and equals toxic masculinity.
if I remember correctly, corn in the fuel gives us 20% less fuel economy.
I almost forgot it cost a lot more to refine corn and turn it into fuel then it does gasoline.

 

[SheepDog]

Sugar cane is much more efficient at making fuel than corn.

Food crops should be grown for food not energy.

We have enough oil and gas in the US that we don't need to send any money anywhere. Problem is oil is traded as a commodity.

Corn isn't actually food, its just used that way for livestock because it is cheap, it causes rapid and unnatural growth in cattle, pigs, and chickens, and the guvment' subsidizes it, and manufacturers of other products find creative ways to include it into many different products- none of which actually need it as an ingredient. It is inefficient as a food source, and as an energy source.

Like you said, sugar cane and switch grass are much more productive and require far less water when talking about ethanol production, but the oil lobbyists won't be having any of that. Gasoline isn't better, but the money generated by it's production, and the governments that it controls will never give way to better alternatives. Oil is a finite resource, even if that happens to be hundreds or thousands of years into the future. Ethanol can be produced indefinitely. But mostly, my car loves it and I'm glad that many Colorado fuel stations have it.

 

[K4fxd]

Ethanol can be produced indefinitely. But mostly, my car loves it and I'm glad that many Colorado fuel stations have it.

E85 at the pump is subsidized. Buy it in a can and it's 10 per gallon. It takes more energy to make E10 than we get when used, once you figure in the fuel and fertilizer to grow, transport and convert it to alcohol.

 

[SheepDog]

Buy it in a can and it's 10 per gallon

That is only because it is produced in relatively tiny quantities compaired to gasoline. It's all about scale of economy. Refining oil into gasoline has it's financial and environmental costs too. If we were growing sugar cane in the south, and switch grass in the plains (even higher yield than sugar cane per acre) with the intent of making fuel with it, it would be just as cheap or cheaper than gasoline. We are married to oil because of the money and politics behind it, not because it is better in any way.

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