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My 1 > 2 shift delay is not normal. It will shift from 1st and then almost go to neutral before shifting 3-4 seconds later into 2nd. I can rev the car up between shifts !

it's getting to the point where it is dangerous...if I pull out into traffic and this happens I could get T-boned or worse, because the delay is so bad.
Mine always goes directly 1-3, I never even see the 2nd gear indicator unless I am in Sport+ mode I believe, maybe even Track.
Mine also never goes from 1-2 unless I am shifting manually with S engaged. If you can legitimately rev the car in-between that shift you are correct something is definitely wrong. BUT, if its being slow in the morning when ice cold and you try to speed it up by mashing the pedal i wouldn't be surprised if it throws it in neutral and then takes 3-4 seconds to shift.
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Mine also never goes from 1-2 unless I am shifting manually with S engaged. If you can legitimately rev the car in-between that shift you are correct something is definitely wrong. BUT, if its being slow in the morning when ice cold and you try to speed it up by mashing the pedal i wouldn't be surprised if it throws it in neutral and then takes 3-4 seconds to shift.

There is definitely something wrong.
This happens when I leave my driveway and my neighborhood. I don't mash the pedal in these areas and I'm going no more than 20-30 km/h.
 

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There is definitely something wrong.
This happens when I leave my driveway and my neighborhood. I don't mash the pedal in these areas and I'm going no more than 20-30 km/h.
Interesting. Have you had the fluid level checked? Does this happen once the transmission is warm?
 

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Not sure if they checked the fluid level this week and didn't ask because they said they are replacing the valve body and will need to replace the fluid.
It does not happen when the transmission is warm and also does not happen after a couple of 1 > 2 shifts even when cold.

When mine is cold, it will go through most gears sequentially in "normal mode", it is only after 2-3 minutes that it will skip shift.
 
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Not sure if they checked the fluid level this week and didn't ask because they said they are replacing the valve body and will need to replace the fluid.
It does not happen when the transmission is warm and also does not happen after a couple of 1 > 2 shifts even when cold.

When mine is cold, it will go through most gears sequentially in "normal mode", it is only after 2-3 minutes that it will skip shift.
Oh boy. If it is still under warranty then don't worry about it, but it sounds to me like the fluid level wasn't correct. That is stereotypical low fluid behavior. As the fluid heats up it expands slightly and satisfies the minimum fluid level requirement. I'd put money on it the the dealership didn't check the fluid level because its a PITA to get to. Then they just replace the valve body because there is already a TSM for it. Sounds like the dealership is just looking for more money...
 

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I applaud you for posting this info. It's very helpful and I don't think this has been brought up at all in any 10R80 threads on this site (including this one) that I can recall.

How did you find out about this?

In many of the SSM/TSB's the 10R80 shifting issue is only relayed in docs as "harsh shifting" with no other reference to specific gearing. Many of those docs only reference the reflash of the 10R80 software due to Revision "x" or the need of a valve body replacement and subsequent software reflash needed after a valve body replacement.

The latest 10R80 SSM 51236 from December 2022 only references the 8, 9, and 10th gear harshness but Ford states this "is normal characteristic".

There was this earlier SSM 47361 that was back from 2018 time period and which described the one-way clutch failure, which affected 3rd gear - but I'm not sure if this is even related to what you have about?
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/2018-10r80-a10-most-recent-tsb’s-in-here.102918/#post-2393869
I have this issues for over a year and I have read every thread about 10r80. I have spoken with various gearbox experts and repair services. The CDF drum is the main reason for many issues because it cannot hold pressure. I have ordered every part that needs to be changed and I will keep you all updated

The only issue that I can’t find a fix for it is this sound.


l’m thinking it has to do also with the lack of pressure in the pump when trying to shift because the CDF it’s not holding any pressure on it’s ports.
 

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I have this issues for over a year and I have read every thread about 10r80. I have spoken with various gearbox experts and repair services. The CDF drum is the main reason for many issues because it cannot hold pressure. I have ordered every part that needs to be changed and I will keep you all updated

The only issue that I can’t find a fix for it is this sound.


l’m thinking it has to do also with the lack of pressure in the pump when trying to shift because the CDF it’s not holding any pressure on it’s ports.
Yikes that is definitely not sounding good! Never heard that sound before. Keep us updated please and good luck!
 

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I have this issues for over a year and I have read every thread about 10r80. I have spoken with various gearbox experts and repair services. The CDF drum is the main reason for many issues because it cannot hold pressure. I have ordered every part that needs to be changed and I will keep you all updated

The only issue that I can’t find a fix for it is this sound.


l’m thinking it has to do also with the lack of pressure in the pump when trying to shift because the CDF it’s not holding any pressure on it’s ports.
Yikes that is definitely not sounding good! Never heard that sound before. Keep us updated please and good luck!
Are you sure? Because I have driven a 2018 10r80 (rental) and my 2021 10R80 and it always makes those sounds if you are staying still and switching between 1st and 2nd. I don't really like using the paddles...so its not really an issue for me.

I will agree, its not a good sound. But At least with two cars... and this one, seems normal.
 

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Are you sure? Because I have driven a 2018 10r80 (rental) and my 2021 10R80 and it always makes those sounds if you are staying still and switching between 1st and 2nd. I don't really like using the paddles...so its not really an issue for me.

I will agree, its not a good sound. But At least with two cars... and this one, seems normal.
You are correct the 10At will make noises in between 1-2 at a standstill, but this is not the normal noise. I suppose there is never a noise that is 100% normal with these though, lol! I did this on mine and I could definitely hear the solenoids moving, but it was way quieter and was quick.
 

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Hey all. I have two 10R80 related questions. Hope you can help.

1. Since boosted, I noticed under very light acceleration that the gear changes (in Normal) are very smooth but, after the change I get a wobble on the rev counter, like it bounces up 100rpm then back down and settles at the speed it should. Rinse and repeat for another gear change. You can hear the exhaust note change (increase then decrease again). Accelerate a bit harder, or full WOT and it doesn't do it. Is it just a quirk of being so gentle and now being boosted? More of quirk than an annoyance.

2. My main question. Gearbox in sport. Gear changes are not harsh in engagement but, the car seems extra keen to downshift 2-3 gears even with just a dab of the brakes. Is this normal? I had it happen to me doing about 75mph, dabbed the brakes to slow for cars in front and the car dropped about 3 cogs and revs shout up. It didn't do this with my old tune / pre boost. Should I get back in touch with Wengered about this one? It means I don't really use Sport as it becomes too unpredictable.

The Owners Manual I believe states "The automatic transmission downshifts to a higher RPM when braking aggressively. " But I'm not braking aggressively and it seems to do it. 😟
 
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Hey all. I have two 10R80 related questions. Hope you can help.

1. Since boosted, I noticed under very light acceleration that the gear changes (in Normal) are very smooth but, after the change I get a wobble on the rev counter, like it bounces up 100rpm then back down and settles at the speed it should. Rinse and repeat for another gear change. You can hear the exhaust note change (increase then decrease again). Accelerate a bit harder, or full WOT and it doesn't do it. Is it just a quirk of being so gentle and now being boosted? More of quirk than an annoyance.

2. My main question. Gearbox in sport. Gear changes are not harsh in engagement but, the car seems extra keen to downshift 2-3 gears even with just a dab of the brakes. Is this normal? I had it happen to me doing about 75mph, dabbed the brakes to slow for cars in front and the car dropped about 3 cogs and revs shout up. It didn't do this with my old tune / pre boost. Should I get back in touch with Wengered about this one? It means I don't really use Sport as it becomes too unpredictable.

The Owners Manual I believe states "The automatic transmission downshifts to a higher RPM when braking aggressively. " But I'm not braking aggressively and it seems to do it. 😟
Is your transmission tuned by Wengered or is it still the stock transmission tune?
 

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Is your transmission tuned by Wengered or is it still the stock transmission tune?
Good question. He has made one or two tweaks that I know of because I wasn't happy with some of the shift points in earlier maps. He has very kindly sent me a revision over this evening which I've applied so I'm going to test it and see how it goes.
 

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Good question. He has made one or two tweaks that I know of because I wasn't happy with some of the shift points in earlier maps. He has very kindly sent me a revision over this evening which I've applied so I'm going to test it and see how it goes.
If it is tuned then honestly its a problem with the tune not the transmission. Especially the fact it like to downshift with littlest of braking. That's definitive tuning. I'd definitely see how the new tune goes!
 
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Hello guys,

I am here to share amazing news. Some context:

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I've been having "transmission" issues since May 2022 where my car after about 30 minutes or so of driving, would have the transmission "disconnect" on me out of no where, causing my car to temporarily go out of gear and lose power.

The symptom would be abrupt and scary, causing me to fear driving the car at all times essentially. The car after it starts to have the symptom, would continue to do so until I park the car and leave it overnight and the car would act normal again until it hits the 30 minute mark.

Then some months after, it started stalling on me after the symptom would start at very low speeds, reversing, or red light stops. This also would not resolve until I park the car until the day after.

After some extension driving, I found the issue started after a specific amount of KM/Miles driven during the day. I could be in traffic for 30 minutes but if I only traveled for 10km, nothing would go wrong. But the magic number was around 30km and then the symptom would start. It would happen every time without fail.

Here are some videos of what I was experiencing:











I notified Ford during this time and for months on end, no progress on fixing my car. At a few points, my car was parked (without a loaner) at their dealership for a month straight with no avail.

Here is a list of everything they did in order:

TCM reflash
Transmission fluid flush
TCM reflash again
Valve Body replacement
Swap to OEM Wheels
Throttle Body replacement
Full networking inspection

After all of that to no avail, they replaced the ECU and that seemed to be the issue!

My car is running good again, no stalling and no transmission trips. It only took May 2022 to April 2023 but my car is finally fixed with just my 5 year drivetrain warranty expired. Hope I get to keep the car for as long as possible.

Here are some more recent shots of my car!

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