GM is pulling back on EVs

[Burkey]

I could break down the percentages another way and spin them to support that only 12% think EV's help the climate a lot, while 88% think they do not help so much.

Well yes, you COULD say that, but that wouldn’t be telling the whole story now, would it? It’s any wonder you like MSN so much…..

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[Burkey]

You are a true believer with regard to BEV's for sure and green energy very likely.

You’d be wrong then.
I would prefer that we didn’t have to use EV’s and that better technologies existed, but they don’t, so we are stuck with them as the only viable option AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

Green energy is VERY easy to “believe in“ because it’s so much cheaper to supply than traditional energy sources. You don’t need to be a genius to work out that cleaner AND cheaper power is a bonus.

 

[martinjlm]

Except in this case it is forced. Again if BEV"s were truly better there would be no mandates or subsidies.

We’ve done the “forced” dance enough times that I’m just done explaining how it isn’t. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter which one of us is right, so for the sake of moving the conversation forward I will say “you’re right ” and move on.

 

[Vlad Soare]

And yet you allow others to impose their “beliefs” on you every single day of your life…..

Maybe. But whom I allow and whom I don't is for me to decide. You have no right to impose something on me just because I allow someone else to.

 

[Burkey]

Hello; I and many other have been describing how an ICE is better than a BEV for months. This is too easy. Even you yourself proved the point by buying a new ICE over the planet saving BEV's you could have bought.
I get the reasoning you have repeated several times. No BEV was a good fit for your needs and lifestyle. You made the better choice and bought the better vehicle, an ICE.
I give you points for being tenacious with the 'do as i say and not as i do attitude'. If such a thing were to exist, I would vote for you to get a J. Kerry type of award.

Yes, you’ve been describing (at length and repeatedly) how an ICE is better in terms of range and so on and so forth, whilst entirely ignoring the purpose of the EV, because you‘re ill informed on the topic of AGW/CC.

The simple harsh fact is that the EV is better for the atmosphere and the inhabitants of the planet. Imperfect? Absolutely. Nobody here is arguing that they’re a direct replacement for the vehicle you currently own.

You can argue against that as much as you want. Nobody cares.
Write your paper, demonstrating that CO2 emissions aren’t warming the planet etc and submit it for peer-review. Once it’s been scrutinised and accepted, I’ll start to pay attention to your ramblings.

 

[sk47]

Well yes, you COULD say that, but that wouldn’t be telling the whole story now, would it? It’s any wonder you like MSN so much…..

Hello; You cropped my comment to match a spin. Here is what i wrote.

"I could break down the percentages another way and spin them to support that only 12% think EV's help the climate a lot, while 88% think they do not help so much. Another could parse the numbers a different way depending on the spin they desire. The telling number is the “Only about 4% of Americans currently own an EV, Gallup said, “."

Neither your spin nor my spin on percentages of what people think about how an EV might help the climate matter much. That only 4% actually own an EV makes the main point.

 

[martinjlm]

65% of the recycles are sent to third world nations. There about only 9% of everything that gets there actually gets recycled. Many of these nations don’t have the infrastructure to recycle plastics. What they don’t recycle 91% of what’s there is thrown in the oceans. We recycle about 40% of all recyclables.

Not something I follow so I’m not gonna take a position on it except to say it sucks if it’s true. I have heard of that happening wrt plastics recycling. I will say wrt battery recycling this is very much not true. The purpose of the recycling is to yield raw materials to supplement the production of more batteries. Since there is already a set of motivated users for the reclaimed materials the recycling happens in the region of use, not 3rd world countries. Google Li-Cycle. A lot more credible than pseudo-sources like Scotty or me too, for that matter.

 

[sk47]

Yes, you’ve been describing (at length and repeatedly) how an ICE is better in terms of range and so on and so forth, whilst entirely ignoring the purpose of the EV, because you‘re ill informed on the topic of AGW/CC.

The simple harsh fact is that the EV is better for the atmosphere and the inhabitants of the planet. Imperfect? Absolutely. Nobody here is arguing that they’re a direct replacement for the vehicle you currently own.

You can argue against that as much as you want. Nobody cares.
Write your paper, demonstrating that CO2 emissions aren’t warming the planet etc and submit it for peer-review. Once it’s been scrutinised and accepted, I’ll start to pay attention to your ramblings.

Hello; Enjoy the new ICE.

 

[Burkey]

Maybe. But whom I allow and whom I don't is for me to decide. You have no right to impose something on me just because I allow someone else to.

I’m not imposing ANYTHING on you, your government is. They’re basing that decision on the findings of nearly every single peak body on the planet.
Sure, you can rally against it but I don’t think you‘d like the consequences.

 

[Burkey]

Hello; You cropped my comment to match a spin. Here is what i wrote.

"I could break down the percentages another way and spin them to support that only 12% think EV's help the climate a lot, while 88% think they do not help so much. Another could parse the numbers a different way depending on the spin they desire. The telling number is the “Only about 4% of Americans currently own an EV, Gallup said, “."

Neither your spin nor my spin on percentages of what people think about how an EV might help the climate matter much. That only 4% actually own an EV makes the main point.

You’re a very simple man, aren’t you?

 

[Vlad Soare]

I’m not imposing ANYTHING on you, your government is.

Of course, we were talking about the government, not you personally. That goes without saying.

 

[sk47]

We’ve done the “forced” dance enough times that I’m just done explaining how it isn’t. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter which one of us is right, so for the sake of moving the conversation forward I will say “you’re right ” and move on.

Hello; Not speaking for K4fxd as he can and does make his points well. It is the "force" used which is one of the main issues in this entire BEV agenda. You and a few others try to disguise force in a word salad.
We get it same as you champions do. The hybrids and later the BEV's have had over 20 years to catch on. (I looked at hybrids back in 2001 personally, then rejected them.) They cannot make it on merit so we are being forced by mandates against the sale of new ICE and by taking money from our pockets (if we actually pay taxes) to subsidize the purchase of an EV.
A BEV is a niche product not able to compete on it's own. I will keep on making these points. .

 

[sk47]

You’re a very simple man, aren’t you?

Hello; I get that i touch a nerve when i rag about your new ICE. It is just the irony of all the lectures you post then go against the future best interest of your own family. Add to that irony the avatar of a mustang doing a massive burnout.

 

[K4fxd]

cleaner AND cheaper

Now that right there is FUNNY!

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

Hello; I get that i touch a nerve when i rag about your new ICE. It is just the irony of all the lectures you post then go against the future best interest of your own family. Add to that irony the avatar of a mustang doing a massive burnout.

Yes, his excuses of buying an ICE vehicle, after all of his lecturing about the virtues of green technology, have been epic. It reminds me of Gore, Gates and Kerry trying to convince us that it’s OK for them to have massive carbon footprints, while at the same time scolding the unwashed masses about the importance protecting the environment. I call it “greensplaining.” They think they’re entitled to a free pass due to their continuous virtue signaling.

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