Why the Mach1 is a rip off

[br_an]

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[dethmaShine]

Definitely a rip off. End of thread. I guess folks can go their ways now?

 

[Atlas1]

Oh Lort, did you just try to equivocate the M1 with a 350R?

First off, in a word. No.

The R has better brakes, not only in 2 piece rotors, but they're bigger and in the rear, single piston doesn't even compare to 4 piston brakes. The R brakes will not fit on the M1, the wheels won't allow them to work.

The R has different hubs, different spindles, etc.

The R has larger and much lighter CF wheels. The M1 has smaller and much heavier wheels.

The R has better aero, better suspension components (to compliment the better aero) in the springs, sway bar, etc.

The R (like it's little brother) revs higher and makes more power, and is lighter than the M1, resulting in faster straight line acceleration as well as much higher traps.

The R (and the base 350) is wider (both the front fenders and the rear fenders) to accommodate the wider tires/wheels.

The R has aluminum strut tower brace (vs steel).

The R (and the base 350) have better axles.

Now, we could have lengthy debates about how much any of that makes a difference, but the 2 cars are not the same. The results speak for themselves in various testing of everything from skid pad to lap times to drag times.

You could make a credible argument that the M1 captures MOST of the performance at a reduced cost compared to the R, but it is in virtually no way, better than a 350, let alone an R,

Jimmys argument was as a STREET CAR, the Mach is better. While you could certainly argue that either way, I agree with him from my perspective. The 350r is in my opinion the best looking mustang ever made. But it like any other mustang is not without its flaws. It’s not optimized for the street. The coyote makes it’s power lower in the rpm range and the brakes are negligible. Sustained laps on a track? Of course 8250 rpm and brakes that can keep up all day are huge. But the stopping distance on the street is the same as tested by motor trend I think it was? Can’t remember at the moment.
The list of parts that the gt350 has that the Mach does not is extensive as you point out. But for a street car the difference is nothing. I wanted a 350 so bad at one point it hurt. I just couldn’t get over my reservations about the reliability of the motor so I passed. I love my car and feel I got everything I can use on the street and then some. In my opinion it’s close enough to a gt350, with the key difference being the coyote.
the price of the Mach made sense to me. When you load up a PP2, it’s not all that much more to get into one of these. Yes you are going to pay a certain premium to have the nameplate and a chassis number. But that’s not unique to the Mach and as a Shelby owner you know that
The HP definitely bumps the price up but with no 350 in production anymore, it was obvious from the beginning that this car would slide into the bottom of that price bracket because ford knew there would be enough asses for the seats. One of the more tiring arguments we see in this thread is that you could just buy a gt and mod it. Sure, you could. But some of us don’t want to buy a brand new car and immediately start doing trans swaps and mods that void the entire warranty. The Mach 1 isn’t for every mustang buyer, just like the 350 wasn’t. If there had been a coyote option for the 350 I’m confident I would have never had the chance to buy this car. I’m glad it worked out the way it did

 

[WD Pro]

Just an observation and I’m not taking sides, but it seems like some of you guys need to pick one

So the main argument that the M1 guys throw up against the GT is that the differences are of best benefit on the track i.e. coolers / tyres (with HP) etc. Personally I’m not disputing that and it’s been proven that on a flying lap with the same driver and tyres, there’s nothing in it between a MR PP1 GT, a MR Bullitt and a non HP M1. i.e. compared to those cars the M1 shines in HP format and with sustained track use - it’s a better ‘track’ car

But when the 350 / 350R comes into it, swapping sides and claiming the better ‘street’ car … ?

WD

 

[Hi-PO Stang]

The Mach 1 is not a rip off because you can get a Mustang that performs well that any dealer can sell. Trying to find a dealer that had allocations for GT350 and GT500 Mustangs was just a trying experience. Glad we have an opportunity to get a Mach 1.

 

[Charlemagne]

But it's still a parts bin car.

Exactly, and that's great about it. It's a homerun at the end of the season. Using what has been proven working. With sales declining and new gen coming soon, no money left for developing something special. But it wasn't even needed. This works. And GT350 was your special, be glad about it.

It’s a better ‘track’ car
the better ‘street’ car … ?

That's great about it, it can do both pretty well.

 

[Jimmy Dean]

Oh Lort, did you just try to equivocate the M1 with a 350R?

First off, in a word. No.

The R has better brakes, not only in 2 piece rotors, but they're bigger and in the rear, single piston doesn't even compare to 4 piston brakes. The R brakes will not fit on the M1, the wheels won't allow them to work.

The R has different hubs, different spindles, etc.

The R has larger and much lighter CF wheels. The M1 has smaller and much heavier wheels.

The R has better aero, better suspension components (to compliment the better aero) in the springs, sway bar, etc.

The R (like it's little brother) revs higher and makes more power, and is lighter than the M1, resulting in faster straight line acceleration as well as much higher traps.

The R (and the base 350) is wider (both the front fenders and the rear fenders) to accommodate the wider tires/wheels.

The R has aluminum strut tower brace (vs steel).

The R (and the base 350) have better axles.

Now, we could have lengthy debates about how much any of that makes a difference, but the 2 cars are not the same. The results speak for themselves in various testing of everything from skid pad to lap times to drag times.

You could make a credible argument that the M1 captures MOST of the performance at a reduced cost compared to the R, but it is in virtually no way, better than a 350, let alone an R,

You’re just angry because you realize you got ripped off on the 350. YOU are not capable of making use of its advantages on the track, and it has no advantages on the street, maybe even the opposite.

we get it, you’re here trying the shift your anger at your over priced oil burner.

now, just run away. (I’d say drive away, but your cars probably getting a new motor right now huh?)

 

[Mikepol2]

I'd be willing to bet that 99% of people who think the Mach is a ripoff haven't driven one, or haven't done a GT build-and-price that includes everything you get in the Mach (not what you can get a GT for if you leave out options). I've had a GT and have driven a GT350 and tried for 7 months to convince myself to buy one or the other instead of waiting for the Mach order to be built but just couldn't do it. I don't track my cars anymore and the Mach performs better than both on the street. Really considered a local used 2019 GT350 that I had found in July but wasn't willing to pay $68K for it, when I was getting the Mach for $55K with a new car warranty.

 

[ICU812]

I have read through most of this thread, and remember the day it started. As an owner of a fully loaded GT with a MSRP of $54K, I feel the M1 is an absolute bargain. After having my car for a year and a half, it is by far the most satisfying car I have owned, and I have owned many. I guess I'm fortunate to have bought my car before the craziness started, and got a good amount off of the MSRP, I feel it is worth the sticker price in driving satisfaction alone. To have a lower production, better performing (special car) for a little more is a blessing, not a rip-off. Well worth the small premium.

The problem is, a pony car , was designed for the youth market, And it has jumped the shark as they say.
Today a gt mid 40's to mid 50's and a Mach 1 is 66k and up.
Everyone of us that was able to afford any new mustang are blessed, As we are doing well for ourselves.
But , I'm sorry, 45-55k for a pony car is nuts.
Youth of today are not interested in cars, because what they can afford is a boring fwd pos.
I'd be MEH about vehicle ownership if The vehicle choices I could afford to buy and insure were all underpowered 4 door family turds.
At least when I was a new driver, even if I couldn't afford the high strung model, and only the basic v8 car, you had the same body, and time and sweat and a little funds you could swap out that 260 v8 or 283 v8 and drop in a 289 or a 327,etc.
The kid today that gets a fusion , is stuck with what it is.

 

[Jimmy Dean]

The problem is, a pony car , was designed for the youth market, And it has jumped the shark as they say.
Today a gt mid 40's to mid 50's and a Mach 1 is 66k and up.
Everyone of us that was able to afford any new mustang are blessed, As we are doing well for ourselves.
But , I'm sorry, 45-55k for a pony car is nuts.
Youth of today are not interested in cars, because what they can afford is a boring fwd pos.
I'd be MEH about vehicle ownership if The vehicle choices I could afford to buy and insure were all underpowered 4 door family turds.
At least when I was a new driver, even if I couldn't afford the high strung model, and only the basic v8 car, you had the same body, and time and sweat and a little funds you could swap out that 260 v8 or 283 v8 and drop in a 289 or a 327,etc.
The kid today that gets a fusion , is stuck with what it is.

yeah, a mach 1 when my 71, was new, was about 3,000 hours worth of minimum wage. now, even if we consider the 'new' 15/hr min wage, it is 4,000 hours worth. if we look at the actual (7.50USD) in many places, it is about 8,000 hours worth of minimum wage.

 

[seeyalater]

The problem is, a pony car , was designed for the youth market, And it has jumped the shark as they say.
Today a gt mid 40's to mid 50's and a Mach 1 is 66k and up.
Everyone of us that was able to afford any new mustang are blessed, As we are doing well for ourselves.
But , I'm sorry, 45-55k for a pony car is nuts.
Youth of today are not interested in cars, because what they can afford is a boring fwd pos.
I'd be MEH about vehicle ownership if The vehicle choices I could afford to buy and insure were all underpowered 4 door family turds.
At least when I was a new driver, even if I couldn't afford the high strung model, and only the basic v8 car, you had the same body, and time and sweat and a little funds you could swap out that 260 v8 or 283 v8 and drop in a 289 or a 327,etc.
The kid today that gets a fusion , is stuck with what it is.

I have two teens that are about to start driving this year so me and wife been asking them what type of car they think they're going to want and both said they don't care as long as it has CarPlay and lots of cameras. Kids are not built like we are these days..

 

[Jimmy Dean]

I have two teens that are about to start driving this year so me and wife been asking them what type of car they think they're going to want and both said they don't care as long as it has CarPlay and lots of cameras. Kids are not built like we are these days..

My 5yo wants a mustang or bronco. I am hoping that I can keep his interest in cars up. shouldn't be too hard, we live out semi-rural, and I have lots of fun older cars and trucks.

 

[br_an]

My 5yo wants a mustang or bronco. I am hoping that I can keep his interest in cars up. shouldn't be too hard, we live out semi-rural, and I have lots of fun older cars and trucks.

My 6 year old nephew asked if he can have my car when I die

 

[Fishtales]

This thread is too funny. Reminds me of an old dog food commercial...
My car is better than your car, my cars better than yours, my cars better cause it has better components, my cars better than yours.
Remember, no matter what anyone says It's still a compromise up and down the line (entry level, rental beater, daily driver, street, track) and whatever else you want it to be. I say buy whatever version you want and suggest we stop the ticky tack bull crap.

 

[Jimmy Dean]

This thread is too funny. Reminds me of an old dog food commercial...
My car is better than your car, my cars better than yours, my cars better cause it has better components, my cars better than yours.
Remember, no matter what anyone says It's still a compromise up and down the line (entry level, rental beater, daily driver, street, track) and whatever else you want it to be. I say buy whatever version you want and suggest we stop the ticky tack bull crap.

agreed. I am just trying to poke buttons of some salty guy who came in here talking shit.

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